Council tables prayer issue

Council tables prayer issue


Posted by admin Wednesday, September 9, 2009 - 17:56
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Awaiting legal advice about a demand that they stop opening meetings with an invocation, the Tehachapi City Council chose to go straight to the flag salute and down to business at their Sept. 8 meeting.

A few minutes later, Mayor pro-tem Phil Smith asked for a moment of silence to honor Bear Valley Springs resident Peggy Mikkelsen, who was killed Aug. 28 by a runaway truck as she worked in her yard.

In closed session following the public meeting, the Council tabled the prayer matter for further discussion at the next meeting Sept. 21.

Smith said the four Council members present – Smith, Shane Reed, Ed Grimes and Stan Beckham – were reluctant to make any decisions in the absence of their fifth member, Mayor Linda Vernon, who had an out-of-town commitment.

Smith said they needed time to consult counsel because of the possibility of litigation.

“I recommended to Phil not to have a prayer until the closed session [discussion],” said Tehachapi City Attorney Tom Schroeter in response to a statement by public speaker Susan Wiggins. “I need direction from the Council on how to proceed.”

Council member Reed urged the approximately 50 people at the meeting to visit the organization’s web site.

“Everybody should look at the site and see what we’re dealing with,” Reed said.

The site lists legal victories and challenges involving the organization and the Job Corps, a top university, Nativity pageants and Easter services, Post Office religious cancellations, Bible instruction in public schools and state Good Friday holidays.

According to its web site, the organization forced the mayor of Denver to back down as co-sponsor of the National Day of Prayer (1993) and it has sued to force an end to prayers at presidential inaugurations.

It also has challenged religion-based programs at the Department of Veterans Affairs and in prisons, forcing the removal of religious material from the Lois M. DeBerry Special Needs Facility in Nashville, Tenn.

In Nov. 2008, it forced the 3rd Expeditionary Sustainment Command in Iraq to stop change-of-shift prayers and Bible reading.

It forced a children’s Christian club in Valencia, Calif., to stop meeting in the school during school hours.

No church bulletin discounts
In Greensboro, N.C., in a case settled June 11, 2009, according to the web site, the organization forced Poblano’s Mexican Restaurant to stop giving 15 percent discounts to customers who brought in a church bulletin.

The organization’s attorney Rebecca Kratz, the web site says,  “called the restaurant’s owner to inform him that the discount violated the federal Civil Rights Act and a Greensboro City Ordinance, both of which prohibit discrimination based on religion. He agreed to discontinue what Kratz called in a follow-up letter, ‘Poblano’s restrictive promotional practice [that] favors religious customers and denies customers who do not attend church, and nonbelievers the right to ‘full and equal’ enjoyment of Poblano’s.”

The organization, the Madison, Wis.-based Freedom From Religion Foundation, sent a letter Sept. 1 to members of the Tehachapi City Council and to City Manager Greg Garrett demanding that the Council immediately stop invocations prior to meetings.

The letter cited the complaint of an unnamed resident and taxpayer who had informed the organization of the invocations.

The letter, which is available on the organization’s web site here, contained transcriptions of the texts of all invocations said at the Council since March, 2, 2009.

Several public speakers at the Sept. 8 meeting spoke in support of invocations while one had another perspective.

“To have a different point of view is hard to do in Tehachapi,” said Ginny Tunks, who is on the Kern County Human Relations Commission. “There are different beliefs of God allowed in this country and supported. Invocations are OK [but] what needs to be looked at is more inclusive, different points of view.”

“This is not such a bad letter.”

“I applaud you for your courage,” Council member Reed told Tunks. “I wish the person who [reported] this would have done the same thing.”

No Cummings Park
In other business, the Council:
•    Saw a presentation on the new Tehachapi Hospital (See sidebar by reporter Mark Powell).

•    Adopted, 4-0, ordinance No. 09-02-701 that amends portions of the municipal code relating to enforcement of code violations. The new process enables the city to write administrative citations instead of pursuing criminal prosecution. The enforcement is directed at substandard housing.

•    Declined to follow the Airport Commission's recommendation that the park at the Tehachapi Municipal Airport be named after Kim Cummings, who was principally responsible for its installation. They did not vote directly on attaching the name to the park. Smith and Reed voted yes on Reed's motion to install a plaque or monument naming all the individuals who contributed to the park; Beckham and Grimes voted no. The motion failed on the 2-2 tie.

•    Approved a notice of completion on the new Valley Blvd. bikeway.

•    Approved the quitclaim deed of a portion of D St. between Wells School and Mojave St. over to the Tehachapi Valley Recreation and Parks District.

•    Reed explained that he had missed the last two meetings because his son was ill, and the boy had spent five days in the pediatric ICU at Children’s Hospital in Los Angeles.



 

Comments

Check out what Inga had to say.. http://www.bakersfield.com/news/columnist/barks/x746309760/Inga-Barks-Let-them-pray
Ultimately I agree with you Jswift, but the SCOTUS has ruled otherwise. I predict the rules will change to allow non-denominational prayer, but the Jesus believers will still have their collective noses out of joint. I'd love to be a fly on the wall, though, if ever a Muslim or Hindu requested to offer a non-sectarian prayer in front of a council meeting. I wonder how the gentle folks of Tehachapi would handle that?

The problem with Active4People's post is that some folks don't believe in "their maker, redeemer, God,or other spiritual deity" Some people do not embrace the concept of a "supreme being".Your post presupposes that the only difference in religious beliefs lies in one's denomination and that everyone believes in some concept of a "supreme being". The people that don't believe in a "supreme being" are totally left out of your thinking. This is what is wrong with prayers, etc. at public meetings. Prayers presuppose that everyone believes in some variation of  Christian religion. Some people don't believe in any religion at all and they are entitled to the expectation of no religion at a public meeting.

This whole thing is ridiculous, started by ONE person. The vast majority of our community members believe in some form of religion, and no doubt wish to keep the council prayers in place. Clearly, many church heads have all had the opportunity to perform the invocation, at the council meetings, and there is "unique history" in that Tehachapi is a unique town. There is no denying our faith given the sheer number of churches in our town. In God I Trust that we vehemently defend and research our right to continue "constitutionally permissible government-sponsored prayers" at our council meetings.
Yes, a non-denominational prayer should work for everyone to pray to their maker, redeemer, God, or other spiritual deity. Once they do this, I believe the whole matter will become moot. That way we can all pray, as appropriate. I note the emphasis is not on getting rid of prayer just sectarian issues.
Non-denominational prayers usually get a pass in government meetings - just look at the kind of prayers offered in Congress. The problem here is the ending of these prayers were almost always some form of 'in Jesus name' amen. Not everyone prays in his name. Just because you may believe Jesus was a deity, it doesn't give you the right to offer a prayer in his name in front of a government meeting. If you must pray to Jesus, do so in private before the meeting, or before you leave home to attend, or afterwards. Just as is the case in public schools - kids can pray in school all they want. They just can't expect teachers to lead prayers, or to hear prayers over the loud speakers. What's the problem with praying in private anyway? Isn't that what Jesus said to do?
Is anyone surprised that all their "victories" seem directed towards anything Christian? Sadly, I am not.
It always amazes me how "some" people actually fear Christianity, which by the way, only encourages love and acceptance, tolerance and kindness. Why do those people object to prayers? It's comical & sad to me. I will never stop praying; I will never stop believing in God, and I will always thank God for kind people, and I will continue to pray for those lost souls who think they are gods; someday they will need a greater power; who will they turn to? If our City council members weaken themselves because one person "is not tolerant", it will only give the message that it doesn't matter what the majority of people in Tehachapi prefer...do we not live in a democracy? Our city council members represent the people of Tehachapi and since it is impossible to please all residents/taxpayers, they should represent the MAJORITY. Like I suggested before, let's have a vote on this issue, and let the majority of Tehachapi citizens decide on if prayer before City Council meetings is wanted or not. Pretty simple solution....
What is it about the name of Christ that causes people to get all riled up and offended? Why is it that the voice a few dictate to the majority what is right and acceptable? If we all have 1st Amendment rights, what about the rights of Christians to free speech? If the council wants to invite clergy from the community to do the invocation before a meeting, should that clergy not have the right to pray to God in an appropriate manner? Now you may say that what is appropriate? I would submit that the God of the universe requires and demands respect, reverence and praise. I want to encourage the council to be strong and diligent. Fight the good fight. Protect the rights and freedoms of all the people, and don't bow to pressure from the few. If you have ever read the Bible, you know that it tells us we Christians will be persecuted for our faith, because of Christ. We are not to be ashamed of the Gospel, nor should we hide the fact that we are believers. We should shout it from the mountain tops and face the challengers head-on and tell them we have rights too, and we will exercise our freedoms accordingly.