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Gretchensdad - > -> Political History Quiz The blog begins after I post the answers.
Political History Quiz The blog begins after I post the answers.

A little history lesson:  If you don't know the answer make your best guess.  Answers will be posted later today or after a sufficient flurry of you all posting your answers.    Who said it?  

[You may be shocked by the answers.]

 1) "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

 A.  Karl Marx
 B.  Adolph Hitler
 C.  Joseph Stalin
 D.  None of the above

 2) "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few... and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity."

 A.  Lenin
 B.  Mussolini
 C.  Idi Amin
 D.  None of the Above

 3) "(We)...can't just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people."

 A.  Nikita Khrushev
 B.  Jose f Goebbels
 C.  Boris Yeltsin
 D.  None of the above

 4) "We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own...in order to create this common ground."

 A.  Mao Tse Dung
 B.  Hugo Chavez
 C.  Kim Jong Il
 D.  None of the above

 5) "I certainly think the free-market has failed."

 A.  Karl Marx
 B.  Lenin
 C.  Molotov
 D.  None of the above

 6) "I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched."

 A.  Pinochet
 B.  Milosevic
 C.  Saddam Hussein
 D.  None of the above

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posted by oohchild on Nov 27, 2007 at 08:53 AM

For those folks who think late-term abortions will be reduced by this ban, I don't think it's having the effect you thought it would. First, the vast majority of abortions are done during the first trimester. Second, there are other ways of terminating the pregnancy at a late stage, they are just more dangerous for the woman.

Third, I wonder how many of you would make the same choices, given the circumstances. If you want to read about women who've had to make this difficult decision, I highly recommend the following article. Even though it's written about women in the UK, they are fairly representative of what's happening here too.

http://www.commondreams.org...

"In the debate over late abortion, one voice is rarely heard - that of the women who have actually had one."

Don't condemn these women out-of-hand. This isn't something they take lightly. Most of the women I've known who've considered an abortion haven't chosen that option simply because they didn't use birth control. It's trivializing a serious situation for these women. Sad, really, that women treat other women this way.

posted by Smokey on Nov 27, 2007 at 09:46 AM

I am completely pro-choice. I don't think abortion should be used as a means of birth control but I do believe in a woman's right to choose. Unless you have worn those shoes and walked that road I don;t think you can truly understand the complexity of the issue.

Until I read this I had never heard of a partial birth abortion but after looking it up I was sickened by what I found. ' Most partial-birth abortions are performed in the 20-26 week range (the fifth and sixth months), and some are performed even later.' (I can see why your friend quit her job)

Hilary, Hilary, Hilary.................I'll be afraid for our country and the direction it takes if she is at the helm

posted by gube on Nov 27, 2007 at 09:54 AM
I to am pro choice. I don't like abortion but i believe in a women's right to choice. I don't think a man should be able to tell a women what she can or can't do with here body. When it comes to partial birth abortions i don't really know enough about it to comment at this time.At face value it looks bad.
posted by countygirl on Nov 27, 2007 at 09:57 AM

Oohchild....How dare we judge them...how dare you judge us, and we go round and round. I've been in this position, but that doesn't make much of a difference does it. I've had three children and let me tell you something about the medical field today. They are so terrified that they will get sued over the littlest things they ALWAYS give you the worst case scenario and you are encouraged to abort if they "find" ANYTHING wrong. The current AFP testing is not solid. It is very sensitive and false positives are common place, but that doesn't keep them from freaking you out, giving you all the worst case scenarios, and then encouraging you to abort your baby...if not for you, for the good of your "healthy" children. (insert rolling eyes) If partial- birth abortion was legalized tons of perfectly healthy babies would die because of faulty testing and doctors who are scared to death of being sued.

 

posted by countygirl on Nov 27, 2007 at 10:06 AM
Gube, what about the man's rights??  I think it is wrong that the men have no choice in the matter. I think if a man is willing to take the child and raise it the woman should have to have the baby. I have a very close friend who was in this position. He's getting older and has always wanted children, but has never married so when his girlfriend of a year came to him and told him she was pregnant he was thrilled. His joy only lasted a moment because she didn't want to keep the baby. She had already had two children from a previous marriage and she didn't want anymore. He begged and pleaded with her. Told her he would take full responsibility of the child, nightly feedings and all, all she had to do was carry it. She refused. He had no choice whatsoever in the matter and yet that was HIS child to, it was part of him, but that didn't matter. He had NO rights at all because it was HER body.
posted by gube on Nov 27, 2007 at 10:28 AM
Countygirl that's a tough one and to tell you the truth i don't really know how to answer it other to say the choice lies with the mother.It may not be fair to the man. The man also had a choice of who he hooked up with and if kids were important to him he should have discussed that with his girlfriend. The man should have found someone that wanted kids. But to force someone Else to do something for your own selfish needs is not right either.Countygirl you have got me thinking............
posted by Joty on Nov 27, 2007 at 10:37 AM

Boo hoo. If he wanted children so badly, why didn't he adopt? Could it be for "selfish" reasons? Like carrying on the family name or a little "part of him"? There are so many needy children without any family at all.

It was her body. And while she should have been responsible enough to be using contraceptives if she truly didn't want anymore children, in the end it was her right to make whatever decision she wanted.

posted by oohchild on Nov 27, 2007 at 10:51 AM

How nice for you, countygirl, that you were given the choice. I don't judge these women because they made a different choice. I don't judge their circumstances, because I don't know everything that went into their choice.

And as I pointed out before, these women will have abortions should they decide the medical problems with the pregnancy are too great for them to bear. Do you think that just because this one procedure is illegal there aren't any other options? There are, but they are more dangerous to the woman. Don't fool yourself otherwise, folks.

You're just not willing to look at these women with any compassion, IMHO. Why should women be forced into a position of sustaining a life if they are refusing to do so? We don't force people to donate organs, even though thousands of people die in this country every year for lack of enough organs given through voluntary donation. We are willing to let these people die because we leave the choice of organ donation to the patient & allow thousands of perfectly good organs to be destroyed every year. How can a woman be forced to carry a pregnancy to term against her will, when something less tramatic as organ donation is voluntary?

posted by countygirl on Nov 27, 2007 at 10:51 AM
Joty, you know nothing about the situation. He is my friend and I will accept his privacy and not get into the details but there are reasons he can't adopt. Not to mention he thinks a child should be raised by a family, meaning mom and dad in the home, but if raising his child alone was what he had to do to keep his baby he would of.  Besides how often to adoption agencies allow a single man to adopt??
posted by gube on Nov 27, 2007 at 10:55 AM
Then he should have found a girl that also wanted a family.
posted by countygirl on Nov 27, 2007 at 11:02 AM

Sorry, oohchild you're wrong. I never had a choice. :)

By the way I don't think I'm better than anyone. My point is that many women are being fooled into having abortions. Don't fool yourself otherwise! :)  While some people believe abortions shouldn't be used as a contraceptive I also feel like it shouldn't be used as a filter.

 

posted by countygirl on Nov 27, 2007 at 11:03 AM
Like I said, you don't know the situation.
posted by Joty on Nov 27, 2007 at 11:22 AM

No, I don't know anything about the "situation". But he feels a kid should be raised by a mom and a dad, however, he would've done it alone if she'd carried to term? Nothing like sticking to your convictions...

I can only guess at what reasons anyone would have to not be able to adopt. Being a single man isn't one of them.

Anyway, CG, I wasn't trying to be mean, I just don't understand why when there are soooo many children who need loving homes people opt to keep reproducing. No, I never adopted, but I fostered older kids, boys who are all in their 30's now and still call me mom.

posted by countygirl on Nov 27, 2007 at 11:35 AM
So because he knocked up his girlfriend by accident he should go along with the abortion because there wouldn't be a mom and a dad in the home?? That is so stupid. Yes, we have our convictions, but life throws curve balls at you and you need to work it out. Also, There are tons of people who want and are willing to adopt. The process is very long and extensive ( I'm not saying it shouldn't be), but I KNOW people that would provide a good home are denied because they don't meet certain standards. Also, I can tell you whatever you are thinking about my friend you are wrong.  He is an amazing person, has a great business, lives well, has never been in trouble with the law, so you just keep guessing!
posted by oohchild on Nov 27, 2007 at 11:43 AM
What about his responsibility to use contraception? In my book, both parties are equally responsible. Shame on him for getting someone pregnant who didn't want a child. Seems he caused his own misery by not finding that out before he slept with her.
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