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  The first thing they should do is re-define the 14th Amendment to it's original meaning.      The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution (Amendment XIV) is one of the post-Civil War amendments, intended to secure rights and citizenship for former slaves. It was proposed on June 13, 1866, and ratified on July 9, 1868.
"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. "

The phrase  "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof " indicates that there are some exceptions to the universal rule that birth on U.S. soil automatically grants citizenship.
The following persons born in the United States are not considered "subject to the jurisdiction [of the United States]", and thus do not qualify for automatic citizenship under the Fourteenth Amendment:

Children born to foreign diplomats;
Children born to enemy forces in hostile occupation of the United States;
Children born to Native Americans who are members of tribes not taxed (these were later given full citizenship by the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924).

The following persons born in the United States are explicitly citizens:

Children born to US citizens;
Children born to aliens who are lawfully inside the United States (resident or visitor), with the intention of amicably interacting with its people and obeying its laws.

Only modern PC interpretation has included
"Children born to aliens who are NOT lawfully inside the United States, but here illegally"
Then..... They should outlaw dual citizenship, you are either a citizen of one country or the other. An official denouncement of citizenship in ones former country should be an integral part of the Naturalization process.

DEPORTATION, IT"S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
posted by jer72 on Apr 6, 2007 at 05:12 AM

olebluelight,

You said exactly what I wanted to say.

posted by WAWA on Nov 16, 2007 at 02:04 PM

How can you deport people from land that is STOLEN in the first place?

posted by bigdog on Nov 16, 2007 at 02:30 PM
Because they are here illegally, That's how!
posted by Joty on Nov 16, 2007 at 04:29 PM

Wawa...over countless centuries nations have been conquered, and to the conqueror goes the spoils. It may not be right, but it happened, and we can't go back and change it.

Your argument doesn't hold water when it comes to the current day situation with illegals.

posted by bigdog on Nov 16, 2007 at 04:57 PM
I work construction and I'm see more and more illegal Mexicans working prevailing wage jobs. They are taking jobs away from Americans and the immigrants that are not braking the law by being here illegal. They are no longer doing the jobs that Americans don't want to do. I heard that we have at least 30 million illegal aliens in the US and there was reports of crops going rotten in the fields because they couldn't get any one to pick the crops. It is going to get worst. And don't call me a racist because i speak out against illegal aliens. I see what is happening give it enough time and you will to.
posted by Xcite on Nov 16, 2007 at 08:08 PM
Changing the U.S. constitution to meet radical needs, good luck.  When that language in the constitution was set up it was for all peoples not just one group or another.  The Constitution was written to benefit all who were born on the shores of America.  Just realize that these peoples are among the fabric of American society and get along.  This will not change and Gonzales will be more common than Smith.   My grandfather came here from Mexico in 1910 back then they didn't call it illegal they called it "bring me your poor, your tired, your masses longing to be free"  how far we have gotten away from those idealistic dreams. He came here thrived and me the son of an "Anchor baby"  sits on more land and wealth than i dear to say most of you, God I love America and America has loved our family back.   I think that most Americans are just afraid to compete with hard working peoples.  If they are in your area of employment work harder and yes learn Spanish to compete.  Most of all love your fellow HUMAN BEING no matter where he or she comes from.  Today I seen a young Mexican man sitting nicely dressed in Denny's waiting for a job interview.  The manager came out and said "hablar engles" he said no in an embarrassed way and the manager said well lets go interview.  Right then I thought where are all these other American people who want this job they could be sitting right here beside this man, but the seat was empty. 
posted by rm6 on Nov 16, 2007 at 11:10 PM

awsmom8: "I read an article that said by year 2016 Gonzalez will replace Smith as the most common last name in America." SO WHAT? This statement makes it sound like you're more concerned about whites losing their majority status than about the serious strain that the millions of illegals put on our economic, health, and social service infrastructure. I hope that's not the case.

As for the birthright citizenship argument, the Supreme Court decided in the case United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) that the Fourteenth Amendment grants citizenship to every child born in the United States, regardless of the citizenship status of the parents, with the exception of the children born to diplomats or to enemy forces in hostile occupation of the United States.

posted by olivia on Nov 17, 2007 at 07:22 AM
Our lovely Government needs to go after any employer who hires the illegal immigrants.  How can an illegal immigrant go into the welfare dept and be eligible for any benefits when they cannot offer up any of the multiple items requested to be considered eligible. The main thing being a Social Security Number.  I wouldn't get past 1st base with Welfare if I went in to apply and could not produce a SSN.  Now they are arguing over whether they have a right for a driver's license?  Why are Americans being criticized for being racist while at the same time if we were to go into Mexico or any other country and try to feed off of them, they would kick our butts right back across the border.  How many of these illegals are coming over and taking advantage of lonely american women, (call these women naive or stupid) marry them, have children, and begin fighting for their legal status.  This is a huge problem and it's sad when an American can't stand up against this problem without being criticized as being radical, racist, uncaring.
posted by Xcite on Nov 17, 2007 at 02:26 PM

To educate you Gube when the trumped up Mexican American war was over and America took over all of what was Mexico, (Arizona,California, New Mexico, Texas)  a treaty was signed called the treaty of Guadalupe Heldago.  This treaty stated that all peoples left in these areas by law would be able to forever use Spanish as a first language.  As far as Mexico being a third world country you need to travel more open your eyes and educate yourself.  Mexico City is the largest city in the world with a population of 30 million people thriving with an economy greater than California.   If your talking about the other countries south of Mexico you would be right and in fact this is where most immigrants come from.  Your attitude is the one that is sickening.  Just keep shopping at the Grocery store and thank God your paying .99 a pound for produce rather than $3.00 a pound.  At the very least you should thank the hard working people who allow you to sit on your lazy but and receive cheap food and products instead of hateful feelings.  Stay mad Ill be happy knowing that one day you will wake up from your one point world view.   Shoot people as they come over the border what love you display for your fellow human being.  Typical Hypocrite of this land.  Hate never conquers over hate this is an Ancient rule.   God bless America

Awsome8 Thank you, you seem level headed and a humanist and you are right. My grandfather refused to teach us Spanish and insisted we spoke English.  Two generations later we are successful and my children know nothing of Spanish, however I am a thinking person and i want them to compete so I have hired tutors to teach them proper Spanish language.  I just can not sit quietly and accept rumors and false truths in regards to "illegal immigration"  it is scary to me that people in the land of the free are listening to this outright racism.  One needs to ask the question of oneself "how does this affect me personally what does this cost me personally?  Then direct those same questions towards the war in Iraq.  Who's the real enemy of the people? believe me it is not workers in the field, hotels, restaurant's, gardens providing you cheap food, houses, and services.  Love your neighbor no matter where from or what they look like and treat people as you would like to be treated.  Walk a mile in a persons shoes who came here leaving family and home to work as a peasant walk just one mile because they have walked 1000 to come here. 

posted by Joty on Nov 17, 2007 at 04:56 PM

xcite, I'm not sure where you get your information about Mexico, but it is a third world country with a corrupt government all the way down to the police. Women are still treated like possessions. Drugs are a HUGE problem. If it were such a wonderful country, why are so many risking their lives to get out of there? I've traveled in Mexico, and no, not the beautiful touristy places. I drove through areas I was scared sh*tless. I drove through areas that made me sob with the poverty and the begging children.

I've listened to the stories that my husband's crew in Las Vegas would tell about why they escaped and why they want their families out. These are hard working men that are here legally and do the hard physical labors that white boys whine about doing. And they aren't unskilled.

I say welcome to my wonderful country, but please do it legally and learn the language. And teach it to your children before they enter the school system.

awsmom, we may have once been a melting pot, but that has changed, we're more like tossed salad.

and gube I agree - we don't need to learn Spanish!!!

posted by rm6 on Nov 17, 2007 at 05:14 PM

gube you're starting to sound like a neonazi, I agree we need to fix the problem of illegals and that they need to learn English, not the other way around, but you're just downright prejudiced against Mexicans, so why don't you go back to school where you belong, maybe you'll learn to use proper grammar and also learn to respect the other cultures in the melting pot (or "tossed salad") that is America.

Thanks awsmom8 for clearing that up, we need more level headed people like you.

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This article was in the AV Press today. What do you think about the reference to the 14th amendment?? 

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posted by GregL on Apr 5, 2007 at 12:16 PM
I am in full agreement with changing the 14th Amendment.  Children who are born to illegal aliens should not be granted automatic citizenship.  The original intent of that portion of the 14th is made clear in the article, and is understandable.  Times have changed, slavery has been abolished (and we're not going to pay reparations either, but that's another blog), and that portion of the 14th is no longer valid in today's society.  A while back I was criticized for using the term 'anchor baby'.  If an illegal alien has a baby on US soil, then takes advantage of free health care and welfare, exactly what term should be used? 

Once again, I am all for helping those in need and my wife and I certainly do, but NOT if they are here illegally, it's just that simple.

I will be watching Sen Runner and Mr. Antonovich very closely in their quest to bring some sensibility to the illegal immigration problem. 
posted by Active4People on Apr 5, 2007 at 05:39 PM
I am not disagreeing with re-thinking this amendment, but I would like to know what would happen to a child who was born here, whose parents went to jail for some reason and were not deported (or who died here before being deported, etc.). Would that child be penalized for being born here? Of what country would they be a citizen if their parents could not take them back? Would babies be deported (to whom and where if there were no known relatives)? Also, what about countries who also have the same laws (if any)--would they be likely to change theirs (non-reciprocation)? Would "legal" immigrants offspring be citizens? Also, I am not sure if I would accept the reason for the 14th Amendment as being just about slavery per the referenced article and quote--has anyone verified if this is true (or was this one reason in addition to several others)? These would be interesting questions to answer in such a debate on the issue. This is obviously a volatile and emotional issue, and it would be easy for me to jump on the band wagon (and I might), but I am curious as to the issues I have raised.
posted by TK on Apr 5, 2007 at 07:12 PM

Bit of history: Dred Scott Decision by the U. S. Supreme Court (1856) said that no one descended from black Africans could ever become U. S. citizens.  Soon after was a nasty time known as the Civil War.  After the dust settled, three Amendments to the Constitution were passed: XIII, XIV, XV.  13th Amendment says slavery will not exist within the United States.  14th Amendment says, among other things, all persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens.  15th Amendment says citizens have the right to vote no matter their color or race. 

The reason for the 14th Amendment is now moot.  It should be either rescinded or modified to say that anyone born to a U. S. citizen, even a naturalized citizen, is a U. S. citizen.

posted by olebluelight on Apr 6, 2007 at 12:53 AM