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VtKid - > -> Politicial Dream Team
Politicial Dream Team

Ok, with nearly 18 months left before we pick our next leaders, let's have a little fun and see who our dream team would be. I personally believe the country has had enough Bush and Clinton for the past 20 years, so enough is enough of those names. How about Fred Thompson & Joe Lieberman? There's a little something for everyone without the extreme drama!! How about McCain / Obama, experience offset by youth?

What would be the three main issues this team should focus on, because taking on more would be overwhelming to accomplish. Homeland Security? Health Care? Economy? Tax Code? Social Security/Medicare?

If you had 1 minute with your team, what would you tell them?

 

 

   

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posted by VtKid on Wednesday, May 2, 2007 at 04:10 PM
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posted by Sparks on May 2, 2007 at 04:31 PM

I am still undecided as of yet, the only candidates I have eliminated from my list so far is McCain, Mike Gravel, Joe Biden, Tommy Tancredo, John H. Cox, and Lieberman.  I can say it's most likely I will vote for a Democrat this Election, there isn't much of a choice when it comes to Republican candidates. .  

My top concerns are: (in no particular order)

Homeland Security

Health Care

Illegal Alien Reform

Focus on the Middle Class for once

The Iraq War

 

posted by VtKid on May 2, 2007 at 05:21 PM

Sparks - we're not that far apart it looks like. I do think this election there will be far fewer people voting along the party line and instead will be much more focused on issues which matter to them. My priority is security concerning our borders and a strong national defense. With that comes a better economy. With a better economy comes improved standards of living and self worth & less social dependence on welfare programs. This in turn would reduce tax rates, which could then be simplified. I think the environment is important but we shouldn't make it a national budget suckhole, because that's what it would become in order to make a dent in what nature has proven over the last few millions of years. The focus should be on realistic and attainable goals, not some pie in the sky vision. So let's hope our upcoming season of political ads will be something more substantial than mud!!    

posted by Sparks on May 2, 2007 at 06:21 PM

You are absolutely right, we do agree on many issues.   I also agree with you that  this will not be a "who's side are you on" election.   The issues are what is most important to people today and many Republicans are becoming Independents.   However, I personally won't vote for anyone that agrees with Bush on the Iraq War so it's probably not likely I will vote for a Republican like I did last election.    Also Dems have promised to take away the tax cut Bush gave the rich to help pay off the National Debt and they have promised not to raise our (middle class workers) taxes.   But then you know how that goes... Remember Bush Sr?  "Read My Lips, No More Taxes".  lol  I am not only looking at where a candidate stands but I also have to look at whether he/she has been consistent with their views.   Gulliani has already changed his mind a few times and he has many of the same social views Dems have.  I don't think that will hit it off with most Repubs.  I suppose if I were a Republican and I had to pick a candidate that I thought could win this election, it would be Thompson.    I think Thompson would be the smart vote for Republicans.  I'm just throwing that out there.  I am not voting for him, but if you are a Republican and "sides" means a lot to you, he would be the smartest choice in what will be a VERY difficult election for a Republican to win at all.. 

P.S. I am not anti-war.   We need our military home and rested and well trained to protect us from the enemies we have.   We are using up precious resources in Iraq and yes that includes lives of our much needed soldiers.   Our military defense is on the top of my concern list.

posted by Red on May 2, 2007 at 07:53 PM

Sparks - How do you define "Rich"?  When the libs raise taxes do you also want them to reduce the tax credit a parent gets for each child?  As the middle class father of 5, I rely on those credits to greatly reduce my tax burden each year. 

posted by LoriMorales on May 2, 2007 at 09:13 PM

I won't vote for anyone supporting the continuance of the Iraqi war.  I want a strong military and actually, wouldn't have a huge problem if they reinstated the draft- but it would have to include everyone, not just the poor.  The military should be used against our real enemies - not some little guy rattling his little...  ummmm, sword.

I would love if someone would really, honestly, for sure get campaign reform initiated.  That's a pipe dream but it would solve so many problems should our representatives not be beholden to some fat cat that paid for their election.  Or some lobby like the pharmacy industry, NRA, the religious extremists ---- or any group that pushes our government too far left or right.

We absolutely need to reverse the tax cut provided to the rich.  That's just so wrong.  The Dem's are saying a little about this.  We'll see how that subject proceeds.

Health Care needs big time reform.  What a mess.  If you know someone elderly, you know how the republicans messed this up.

Homeland Security, FEMA --- need insightful leaders.  Not the prez's best bud.  Competence - it would be wonderful to see some.

EDUCATION - the percentage of illiterate high school graduates is embarrassing.  We are robbing our children of a fulfilling life.

And we really need to stop that procedure that allows the senators to tack on kick backs to the peanut farmers (or what/whoever) on the bill addresses additional funds to our soldiers (or what/whoever).  This is common practice and I think it is despicable.  Who is ashamed?  No one - no democrat or republican or independent or green party. 

At this moment, I am still liking Obama.  I find his honesty refreshing.  I like Hilary but don't think she can win.  I keep hearing about Fred Thompson but know nothing about him except he is a "movie star" on Law & Order.  I think he had some political position in the past?  But, it's early I know, he isn't currently running. 

Waiting, waiting, waiting. 

posted by LoriMorales on May 3, 2007 at 09:47 AM

Aero - here we go again.  She's smart.  I like that.  Remember the health care program she tried to establish?  Hillary haters beat the be-jesus out of her, but she hangs in there.  I like that.  She cares deeply about women's issues.  I like that.  She's basically a centrist.  I like that.

Who's afraid of the big bad woman? 

I don't get the goofy pictures.  There's a hundred of them on every one in the public forum.  How many do you see when you've finally seen enough?  The anvil falling on the coyote's head was funny for about the first 1200 times.  Then - not so much.

posted by LoriMorales on May 3, 2007 at 03:16 PM

Aero - my funny bone is jaded for sure.  Like I said, I can only hear a joke a few times and then, not so funny any more.  But I'm gonna have to stick with my instincts.  The dumb pictures are just so unexceptional.  Like political and religious statements people put on their car bumpers.  And individualized license plates that say "red car5."  Now, "Eye812" is funny (but only once).  Big difference.

And - like our "conversation" a few weeks ago - Hillary has a lot of baggage and I think she is unelectable.  I was just saying - she's smart.  I like that.  I like all smart women.  I like powerful women.  They give me hope and encouragement and strength.  Women need examples of women with these traits because we have so many females getting attention for the wrong reasons, i.e. Pamela Anderson, Paris Hilton, Britney Spears and let's not forgot the truly horrid, Madonna.  UGH  Embarrassing because this list is the tippy top of a giant ice berg.

If I had to make a list of good examples for my grand daughter (she's only a year old, so it'll be awhile), it would not include one single politician.  So ---- we are very close to agreement on Hillary.  Who would you encourage your little girls to emulate?

posted by Sparks on May 3, 2007 at 03:23 PM
Red the libs aren't going to raise taxes to the middle class, They are going to finally help us.   The middle class has been taking care of everyone by paying taxes while Bush gave the rich a tax cut... the rich only pay 1% of America's taxes now.  The rich are also the ones that want cheap labor and embrace illegal immigration.    My income is in the 6 figures and I am  considered middle class so I would not worry about it too much if you are indeed middle class.
posted by VtKid on May 3, 2007 at 04:00 PM

The "rich" (>10M) receive a lesser percentage tax cut now than before, while the lower incomes (<50K) received almost a 50% reduction in their taxes owed. I thought I read somewhere the top 2% earners pay 80% of all the taxes collected in the country. My copied link to the New York Times article for this info doesn't work - sorry.

 

posted by Sparks on May 3, 2007 at 07:07 PM
VT  I heard that somewhere too, but the figure was 94%.   I'm looking it up now and I have been to a couple dozen websites saying anywhere from 1% to 99.5 percent.  lol      Is there an official whitehouse.gov site or a more official site that we can get that data from?  I don't know how much they are taxing the rich now. I don't know how we are going to pay off our national dept of over 500 billion and growing if the rich is already being over taxed.  Cinton payed our national dept off when he was in office but it wasn't as high as it is now and it's growing.  Did he raise taxes to do so and if so, who and how much?  If anyone knows where I can get data on this issue...  please let me know.
posted by LoriMorales on May 3, 2007 at 07:08 PM

VtKid - nope.  The top 2% earners pay less tax than the middle class.  Only the very poor pay less than the very rich.

Maybe someone can find the article you read - it would be interesting to see what it said.  Let see how this group interprets it.

Aero?  Red?  You're both good at this kinda stuff.

Pulling this together with this site's agenda - republicans USED to really reduce government.  Not so any more.  Government has grown under all the last 30 years of republican leaders.  This growth requires more money.  So - our taxes have increased, unless you're really poor or really rich.  I'm neither, so I have felt the increase.  It has been the democrats that have reduced government in recent history. 

posted by Sparks on May 3, 2007 at 07:19 PM
Lori   What I am getting is that even though the rich are paying most of our taxes,  I am paying 24% of my earnings and the rich are only paying 1 or 2 percent of their earnings because of "loop holes".   But the truth is after VT brought it to my attention, I'm more confused than ever about who is paying the most taxes.     I think it should be that everyone pays the same PERCENT isn't that the best way to do it?  I'm for giving the poor a break.. absolutely but the middle class shouldn't be paying a higher percent of their earnings than the rich should they?  anyone?   If I was making a billion dollars a year I should be giving America 24% of my earnings just like the middle class does right?   I could be wrong... I'm just asking.................
posted by LoriMorales on May 3, 2007 at 09:07 PM

The flat tax, wouldn't that be fabulous? How do we get our politicians out of the pocket of the very rich?  If that can be done, we may get back to the flat tax idea.  It's been out there .... just kind of comes and goes with elections.  Haven't heard a thing yet, from current candidates.  That could be me not listening .... soooooo tired.

posted by jimr on May 4, 2007 at 04:47 AM

The only thing better than a Flat Tax would be a USE TAX. That is, we pay a tax for anything that WE buy but no one else pays it FOR us. If I want to buy a bottle of wine and a pack of cigarrets, I will pay the tax on it. If YOU want to buy a Yacht and a mansion, or condoms, or whatever, YOU pay the tax on it, and not me. Doesn't that seem to be the fairest way of all?

Jim Richards

posted by Colitas on May 4, 2007 at 08:28 AM
Okay, again maybe I am just a little dim witted here, but this tax stuff is confusing the heck out of me.  Somebody please help me here.  Why would one person pay more than another (% that is).  I understand the more you make the more you pay.  The less you make the less you pay.  I even get some of the tax breaks like donations.  But, Jim, doesn't everyone pay taxes on what they purchase and not what some else purchases?  Maybe you were being sarcastic, I'm not by the way, I'm just little confused honestly.  Help me here people :)
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