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concernedcitizen - > Hall Ambulance and Paramedic Coverage -> Move our EMS standards from the Amish level tothe current century!
Move our EMS standards from the Amish level tothe current century!
Some little known information (from my point of view) about EMS (Emergency Medical Services) in Kern County:
Some of the Kern County firefighters as well as those working for the City of Bakersfield are Certified Emergency Paramedics.  However, when they respond to a medical aid call, they are restricted from performing their duties as a Paramedic--they are only allowed to perform as an EMT, which is basically administering first aid  and using the automatic defibrillation units that anyone with a current CPR card is trained to use.  Their paramedic skills, including starting an IV and administering life saving fluids and drugs, are unable to be used.
Why , you ask?
Well, that is because Hall has the contract to provide ambulance service in this county  and is not allowing anyone other than his paramedics to provide advanced life support services.  So, the firefighter/paramedics that respond and arrive first on the scene of a medical aid have to wait until the Hall paramedics get there.
Why is he doing this? 
The only reason I can think of is perhaps he is afraid someone else is going to get a piece of his pie.  He may be afraid that if  Kern County trains firefighters to be paramedics or allows the firefighters that are currently paramedics to use their skills, that they may eventually want to put ambulances at their fire stations, putting his sweet little monopoly to an end.  Now that the problem has been identified...
What is the solution?
Kern County firefighters need to be able to function as paramedics. In most California counties and cities, firefighters are paramedics also. They already respond to all medical aid calls, so providing advance life support services could easily be implemented.  That way, the Kern County firefighter/paramedic could immediatley begin to provide the advanced life support care that the people of Tehachapi and especially the outlying areas, need.  Once Hall's ambulance arrived on the scene, report can be given, both the Kern County firefighter/paramedic and Hall's paramedic can work together to stabilize the patient.   Once stabilized, care is transferred to Hall's paramedic and the patient is transported to the hospital by Hall's ambulance.  This frees the Kern County firefighter/paramedic to return to his fire station, and keeps the level of EMS/fire supression at the level it has always been.
Why isn't this being done?
Well, do you think the City of Bakersfield, with Hall as their MAYOR, are going to complain?  Who would they complain to?  The MAYOR, WHO ALSO OWNS THE AMBULANCE COMPANY?  Do you really think the Kern County Board of Supervisors are going to rock the boat and go up against Mayor Hall?  It would probably be the end of their political careers.
What are some other considerations?
Well, training a firefighter to be a paramedic can be costly to the county.  It takes that firefighter out of service while he attends the 6 mth paramedic program.  It would be a huge expense covering his shifts and paying for the program.  To minimize the financial impact, some cities/counties are now requiring  that any new firefighter recruit hired must have already have completed paramedic training as well as the required Fire Science degree.  But if the firefighter/paramedic training had been implemented years ago as it should have been, the impact would have been spread over a period of time.  However, it is not too late to begin to provide the same level of service that most Californians, even those residing in rural areas, receive every day.
Topics: Hall's, ambulance, paramedic, EMT, mayor, EMS, Emergency Medical Services
posted by concernedcitizen on Saturday, August 25, 2007 at 02:14 AM
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posted by concernedcitizen on Saturday, February 16, 2008 at 09:15 AM
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posted by bigdog on Feb 16, 2008 at 10:05 AM

Harvey Hall has to much power. I don't see a change coming anytime soon.

posted by ANONYMOUS on Feb 16, 2008 at 09:02 PM

Money talks, the BOS walks.

posted by awsmom8 on Feb 16, 2008 at 11:06 PM

YEP! The BOS walks the way that Harvey Hall talks!  Just like little ducklings following momma duck!  Waddling right behind him!

posted by coolfire on Feb 16, 2008 at 11:08 PM

Hall needs to go.  Firefighter/Paramedics like the rest of the state.

posted by coolfire on Feb 16, 2008 at 11:11 PM

Hall is gearing up to run for supervisor, he already has Watson and EMS under his control, why not a part of the county.???...........  Contact your supervisor and let them know how you feel on this subject....

posted by grassrootsmedic on Mar 28, 2008 at 02:32 AM

 first and foremost FD would need a medical director to begin the process of becoming an ALS first reponse agency.

2- FD must right their own general operating protocols

3-  if FD is not intending on transporting patients that they have intiated ALS care on, most if not all transporting paramedics are very very uncomfertable taking over for someone elses work. because the ultimate reponsibility falls on the transporting paramedic. both in patient care terms and legally

 

4- Firefighter have significantly less experience in handling patients outside of the first responder level, when in fact most of the care takes place en route to the facility

5- The addional number of hours and time spent to keep FD skills current will require a significant amount of time in additona to their already busy educational, drill, QA/QI schedule

 

just some thoughts from a previous firemedic

posted by grassrootsmedic on Mar 28, 2008 at 02:39 AM

 you might want to cross check your data for its gross inaccuricies. instead of laying the blame on the monoply of hall ambulance, you may find that county/state/national regulations are the ultimate authority. Only the agency that desires to become ALS or ortherwise is at fault. it is a simple, though tedious process that the FD could do on its own via the state, and county. furthermore, why would a county that refused a $10000 dollar increase for ALS service provide far more than that to intiate a fire based first reponder non-transporting ageny. after all the 4th link in the AHA is rapid transport


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