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Lastnite when i was putting my groceries into my car another car pulled up next to me and parked. I noticed that there were 5 people in the car 2 of which were children. One child was about 6 months old and the other arround 2-3 years old. I also noticed that a woman was holding the baby in her lap. Neither child had a car seat or a seat belt, but i did notice the 3 other passengers had one on and were taking them off.

Today in the bakersfield news website there is an article about 2 women that were in an accident and failed to restrain an infant girl. Due to the accident the infant girl died. The driver was arrested for manslaughter and i believe the mother was arrested for child endangerment. The article is at www.turnto23.com for more information.

I personally do not understand how a person would allow a child to be in a vehicle without proper restraints. I also feel that it is child endangerment and the driver should be jailed.

How does everyone else feel about this? Can a citizen report a matter like this to the police?

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posted by eekitsaspider on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 at 03:49 PM
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posted by countygirl on Mar 3, 2007 at 04:24 PM

I agree with Shane 100% also! My daughter is 5 yrs old and plenty tall to be in a booster seat, but the idea of not having her in a 5 point harness scares me!  I would NEVER go anywhere without having my kids buckled in.  I believe it is a good idea to think ahead so during events you have already thought things through.  Since my  husband works 48 hr shifts I know that if anything happened while he was gone I'd be calling 911.  I am one of 11 kids!! I have seen many of my siblings hurt and rushed to the hospital. Once my little brother had a seizure near the Keene exit on 58. He actually stopped breathing and my mom pulled over on the side of the road  and was breathing for him. Once he started breathing again she put him BACK IN HIS CARSEAT and drove straight to the hospital. Also we have had rides to the hospital with people bleeding, ect. everyone was buckled in!!

More and more I have noticed people that do not have their kids in carseats or even in the proper type of car seats. Like young kids in boosters who are way too small for one!! I know they're cheap, but come on this is your kids safety. It honestly upsets me ALOT!

I also think buses not having seatbelts is one of the dumbest things ever! One reason why I'll probably always drive my kids to school.

 

posted by eekitsaspider on Mar 3, 2007 at 08:21 AM

I agree with luvmy2girls there should be some type of parenting class for new parents. Children do not come with instructions. I know when i became a mom for the first time i was clueless on how to take care of a new baby. I would of loved to taken a class so i would of been more prepared. Luckily i was staying with my Parents so my mom helped alot but not everyone has that option.

And i personally feel that those that do not put their child into a carseat/seatbelt are endangering the lives of their children and they should face severe consequences.

posted by luvmy2girls on Mar 2, 2007 at 09:52 PM
RStott...I also have the Britax car seats for my girls. They are more expensive but my kids are priceless:)
posted by luvmy2girls on Mar 2, 2007 at 09:49 PM

I don't have strong opinions about too many things but car seats is definitely one of them that I do have VERY strong opinions about. I agree with Shane 100%!! There is absolutely no excuse for not having a child restrained in a car seat! I have seen so many children severly injured or die because their parents (the person they are supposed to be able to trust more than any other in the world) did not take 1 minutes time to buckle them up. And not only do people need to buckle the kids in the car seat but they need to make sure the car seat is PROPERLY buckled into the car.

It always amazes and angers me when I see an innocent child riding down the street unrestrained. I don't know about anyone else but my children are the world to me and I go out of my way to do whatever I can to keep them safe. Car seats SAVE lives! And car seats are not just for young children, a child should not be out of a car seat because they are 6 years old. Car seats should not be looked on as an inconvenience that you can finally get rid of when the child turns 6. I personally have my children in a car seat and they are both 6 or over. I am so glad that they are starting to advertise more on t.v etc about the importance of a child being in a car seat until they are 4'9.

Another important issue associated with the car seats is that children should not be sitting in the front seat of a vehicle unless there is no other choice. The back seat is the safest place for them.

Someone else said that they require you to have a car seat before you can take your new baby home from the hospital. They need to also have a mandatory parenting class before you can take that child home with regular updates for changing laws, safety, etc. God forbid our country put any effort into creating the safest situation for an innocent child. But it's so important that you have to have a license to catch a fish...AMAZING!!

posted by eekitsaspider on Mar 1, 2007 at 06:55 PM
If there was someone there to watch over the baby and they did not leave the baby there with that person then yes there should be charges made. Anyone with any common sense would not allow a child into a car without proper restraints such as a carseat or seat belt, no matter what the situation. The safety of a child is a serious thing and i do not think these women were thinking about that their biggest concern was getting to the hospital.
posted by rstott on Mar 1, 2007 at 06:50 PM
I am a carseat freak! My kids each have a Britax carseat that cost an arm and a leg and they are never in a car without being properly put in one. We have moved cross country 4 times and they make the 40 hour drive in the carseat and if they need something then we wait until we are pulled over and they get it. When the babies were infants I would have to stop every hour to get them out and get them happy again but they never are allowed in a car without a carseat. We come to Tehachapi to visit and the kids and I stay with different family members and it is a pain in the butt to move the seats around, but oh well. I have even taught my four year old how to buckle hers and how it should fit. When we were home last time my sister-in-law called me to let me know that when she took my daughter to the store she had buckled her in wrong and my daughter told her that she needed to fix it because she was not allowed to ride in it until it was right. It may be extra work but my kids are worth it. I could never forgive myself if something happened to them because I was lazy.
posted by Colitas on Mar 1, 2007 at 03:36 PM
I agree that car seats MUST be used.  It is the law,  it is logical, it is right thing to do.  But I think the true question of this blog is should the mother and grandmother go to prison for this?  The story has been updated and it isn't likely now that they will go to prison now, but when the blog was created that was unknown because the were arrested with serious charges.  Like I said before I've made my mistakes, no one else has?
posted by dhall on Mar 1, 2007 at 02:43 PM
I agree with Shane too.  The mother and grandmother were negligent.  They didn't do what they were supposed to do.  They didn't secure the child in her car seat.  I know it can be difficult to put a wiggling and screaming baby into a car seat but it MUST be done.  An asthma attack can be life threatening but not putting an infant in his/her car seat is more important than the few extra minutes to get to the hospital. 
posted by jodawn on Mar 1, 2007 at 01:59 PM
Shane I agree with you 110 %. There is no excuse not to put a child in a car seat. It would have only taken a minute. That extra minute will cost them a lifetime of pain.
posted by ShaneThePain on Feb 28, 2007 at 06:22 PM

Why didn't they leave the baby with her other child and roommate? The baby died because both were negligent parents! They didn't live in Bear Valley they lived in Metro Bakersfield.

KGET news story posted today!

BAKERSFIELD - Two women -- accused in the no-child-safety-seat car crash death of a 4-month-old -- lied to investigators, according to reports filed in support of criminal charges against them.

Mother and daughter Brenda and Sandy Stockman left Sandy's 6-year-old with Sandy's ''live-in companion'' just before the accident, and could have left the baby, according to the reports. The reports identified the companion as Tanya Roscoe, but don't say what is meant by "live-in companion." The statement by the roommate directly contradicts statements by Brenda, 46, and Sandy, 26, who told officers they had no choice but to take the baby in the car without a safety seat.

The reports accompany misdemeanor charges filed against the two in court this afternoon. At that first hearing, Brenda pleaded not guilty to allegations of vehicular manslaughter and child cruelty. Sandy, accused only of child cruelty, has not been to court yet.

The report says the women were hastily arrested Monday because Brenda was considered a flight risk.

After the accident, the women told a compelling story. Earlier in the day, they said, Kayden's aunt took the baby to a doctor's appointment, and the child's car safety seat was inadvertently left in the aunt's car.

Brenda and Sandy said they were alone with the baby shortly before 8 p.m. when Sandy began having an asthma attack.

Sandy couldn't drive, the women said. They couldn't leave Kayden alone, they said.

So they took off for Memorial Hospital on 34th Street. Brenda drove the Toyota Rav-4 as Sandy held the baby in her lap in the back seat, a single safety belt around them both, the women said.

Brenda was flashing the car's lights and honking her horn as she raced to the hospital. On Chester Avenue, she ran a red light to turn left from southbound Chester onto eastbound Columbus Street, she said. The car was struck by a northbound pickup truck.

Sandy suffered a broken thumb. Brenda was thrown against the windshield and suffered a hairline hip fracture. The baby died at the hospital. The case became a hot topic in Bakersfield. Most callers to talk radio agreed that children need to be in safety seats. But if, for some reason, no seat is available and there is a medical emergency, what's a mother to do?

Now, police say the accident just didn't happen that way. The women could have left the baby with Sandy's roommate, but instead chose to take her on the high-speed run to the hospital, according to reports.

posted by eekitsaspider on Feb 28, 2007 at 12:26 PM

I agree alot with what both beekeeper and colitas are saying. There alot of questions about the entire story but that will be left to the law to sort out and decide the fate of the mother and grandmother. I just hope that this story will get people to think twice before getting into a car with a child and not secureing them in a car seat or safety belt.

posted by Colitas on Feb 28, 2007 at 10:48 AM

I do have to agree with beekeeper.  I am a parent and nothing means more to me than my children.  I would gladly give my life for thiers.  As I'm sure so would the mom and grandmother in the above story.  As they say hindsight is 20/20.  But what would we benefit from these women going to jail?  What would jail teach them or punish them that they are not doing to themselves now.  It was an emergency and sometimes everyone doesn't do the right thing.  They get scared, they get confused, and not all of us are good under pressure.  It's not like they had the car seat and didn't use it.  As a parent there have been times where my child has rode in another car and we forgot to get the seat out.  I do not think I am the only this has happen to.  I think the parents who don't restrain their children when they go to the store, or some trivial errand are worse than a parent reacting to an emotional emergency.  I too have taken my child to the hospital not in a car seat.  He had gotten bit by a friends chow/wolf mix when he was 4 years old.  We were coming from Green Street, so my son's face is bleeding profusely, screaming in pain and fear.  I jump in the car with my friend that is holding my son and we go to the hospital.  I didn't call 911, my son wasn't in a car seat but being held and comforted during the 3 minute ride to the hospital.  Should I be in jail?  Should the tax payers be paying for my stay because I am a danger to society?  Was I wrong, probably.   Should I be in jail, your call---the tax payers and law makers.  Child endangerment--Willful Child Endangerment--do we know the difference in these two charges.  Neglect?  There is a chance our children will get kidnapped or assaulted by a child molester, or get hit on their bike, or get a snake bite or broken bones playing a school sport----are we endangering our children or neglect, should we all go to jail?  Bakersfield has smog, smog is bad, we let children breathe that, we are endangering them.  Please, this is a very tragic accident---do we remember what an accident means before we start pointing fingers and suing everyone and their mother.  This is all just too much!!!-

 

posted by beekeeper on Feb 28, 2007 at 10:48 AM
Nobody is saying that what the mother and grandmother did is 100% right. But the reality is that they are already paying a price. They are going to question themselves for the rest of their lives. I am just saying, that arresting these women is unjust. They made a mistake. And it is unfair to say that none of us wouldn't do the same in the situation. The mom could have died on the way to the hospital after waiting that long for the ambulance. None of these possibilities make it right. But arresting them? It's just my opinion, but it seems like the system is just going a little far.
posted by eekitsaspider on Feb 28, 2007 at 10:05 AM

If I was in her shoes i would of called 911 and then my mother. And there is no way i would put an infant in a car without a carseat. My mom could of stayed there with the child while the ambulance took me to the hospital and i got the needed treatments. I have 3 children ranging from 15 years old to 7 years old and i have NEVER allowed them into a car without a carseat or a seatbelt, no matter what the situation.

And if cost was an issue i can understand that completly. But in an emergency i would not care about the cost i would only care about getting the needed help.

posted by beekeeper on Feb 28, 2007 at 09:27 AM
"Mom, I am having an attack, can you come get me?"
"Sure, I'm on my way."
In the meantime, the mother is looking for the car seat to put the baby in. She is searching for it until the grandmother gets there. She is there now, and they panic and decide not to be negligent women and leave a baby home alone, or wait even LONGER for an ambulance, and just left.
We don't know the situation, maybe she didn't want to go in an ambulance? Cost? I really think that arresting these two women is very extreme. Put yourself in the situation. You can't find the car seat and you are beginning to fear for your own life? Would you think that if you tried to get to the hospital and lost your daughter's life on the way that you should be arrested? Would you really sit there and wait for an ambulance after your mother already showed up to take you? Are you really a negligent parent becuae the car seat wasn't available? It's not like she didn't own one. She just couldn't find it.
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