"Look at Europe, there popluation is declining due to abortions and birth control, there are more people dying than being born."

And this is a bad thing?  If this was world wide for a few decades, the world would be a better place!  There are to many people on this plant as it is now.

What I feel most  people need to understand is that being “pro-choice” does not mean you are pro-abortion. How many women wake up one day and say, “Hmmm, I’ll go out and get pregnant so I can experience the joy of an abortion!”? None is my guess.   I am pro-family, pro-child and pro-choice.

Being “pro-choice” is saying you have the right to have and keep your baby, have and give your baby up for adoption or a woman may choose to terminate the pregnancy safely.  The best way to keep abortion numbers down is EDUCATION. Less unintended pregnancies means less abortions.

On the death penalty, I go back and forth, I readily admit to being a 'wall sitter' on this one.

In peace,

Annette

 

Wow Raiderfan (I too am a fan of the Raiders, too bad they suck yet again this year)...I guess that reference went way over your head, I did, after all, take AP Biology in high school, where we outlined virtually the entire book, and I passed the AP Bio exam with a 5 (the highest score possible), so I guess I don't know anything about biology at all. Sorry about the sarcasm, but it ticks me off when people claim that I or someone else lacks knowledge, but provides no evidence to back up that claim.

Regardless of the negative connotations, a parasite is an organism that lives on or in another organism, from which it obtains nutrients, which I believe is exactly what the fetus does until it exits the mother's body.

Madkow, that "what if" question was posed as a response to a comment that has since been deleted, you're right it doesn't make much sense now that that comment is gone.

I have to admit that it is a lot easier to feel sorry for an unborn child that is totally innocent and defenseless with no one to fight for them(heck even the murders have someone to plead their case) than some murderer that has senselessly taken lives. Especially those that commit crimes against children. While I don't think we should be killing people( I don't think it's up to us to take life) I still fight with my initial reaction of "Kill them, kill them all" after hearing about some pervert that has committed crimes against our children!

Oh, and I do not believe in abortion. As a matter of fact I'll be at the fair this Mon. working in my PRO-LIFE booth. Feel free to come by and say "hi" if you're there!

Okay, I have to add this.  rm6- abortions for medical reasons are practically always understandable (except maybe by a few religious nuts).  There are not many people that would debate that.  And if you commit justifiable homicide, there is no way you are going to be given the death penalty.  You probably wouldn't even get prosecuted for murder.  Not very good points.

Raiderfan- I believe rm6 is just talking about a theory by David Haig, a biologist, who proposed that a fetus acts in a similar fashion as a parasite to a mother's body (i.e. fighting for limited resources).  And there is evidence that the mother's body actually resists pregnancy (silly IMO).  One part of the theory is the fact that the vagina is acidic (though it's mainly to fight infection) and the cowpers gland (in the male reproductive system) has to put out a basic secretion (pre-cum) in order to neutralize the environment and make it suitable for the survival of sperm.  A woman's body has many defenses though and the male system is tailor designed to defeat these defenses to ensure reproduction.

An interesting article on Haig's theory:  http://www.nytimes.com/2006...

rm6- A child is a parasite until they are born? Are you kidding me? Wow for being valedictorian that is pretty scary. Then you sure didn't learn to much in school. An unborn child is called a fetus not a parasite!!!

I'm pro-life (to use the typical label) and pro-death penalty.  I'm not interested in criminalizing abortion, but I think it is morally wrong.  I am a mother, so I admit that I look at it through a mother's eyes.  When I found out that I was pregnant, my child became my main responsibility.  I was obligated to care for my body in order to nurture the life of another who was dependent on me.  So you see the major point (or flaw) in my argument: I saw my child as a child from the moment I knew he existed (which I knew even before I tested for pregnancy). 

I'm pro-death penalty for a somewhat selfish reason, really.  I like vengeance when someone (IMO) "deserves" it.  If someone, say, kills a child, brutally, violently, horribly, then I say kill them back :)  (perhaps an inappropriate usage of the smiley, hehe)  I certainly believe that the proof has to be incontrovertible; otherwise let them exhaust their appeals and rot in prison.  I know it's not a crime deterrent.  I know it's more expensive to put someone to death than keep them in prison for life.  But I think it's within the rights of the people to execute a person who is evil enough to commit the most evil crimes.

All life is precious, but our decisions make us into the people we are.  Unborn babies have not made decisions- they are innocent.  Murderers have taken the lives of others- they have no innocence or any claim to their own lives.  Just my two cents...

You can't kill something that is not alive.  So yes there is a difference from killing the born and killing the unborn.   The problem bigdog is they do get reading materials, tv, etc.  If all they could do is eat, crap and look at the walls, my views might change.

Being a man i find it hard to tell a girl what or what she can't do with her body. I don't like abortion but I also don't like telling a girl that she can not have a abortion, or that she has to have one. To me its a girl topic. and I leave it at that.

As far as the death penalty I'm not for it. Idon't think it is used fairly. and it is not a deterrent. most death row inmates are poor. and many had  bad lawyers.  Other then Scott Peterson name some other well off murderers that got the chair. Lock them in their cells 23 hours a day. take away the tv's.let them spend the rest of their lifes sitting in that little cell thinking about what they did. Killing them is giving them a out. Once there dead there dead. Keep them alive,fed them and that's it.Could you imagine living the rest of your life in 9 by 6 cell with no tv or reading materials. just you and yourself to talk to.

I too believe in pro-choice and the death penalty.  I just wish if a person has been found guilty and punished to death, and have the right to appeal, there should be a time limit.  There case should be looked over for any gross negligence and if found a valid conviction, they should up hold that within a year.  I know personally the problems of having a death row for years and years.  And of course some of the laws on the books need to be changed.  Sometimes your hands are tied in what to do.  I believe murder constitutes the death penalty.  Not so much homicide.  Again, it depends on the states definitions and so forth. 

I think it's ironic that there are pro-life/pro-death penalty people out there...isn't that kind of hypocritical, like when an anti-abortionist blows up a clinic?

An unborn baby isn't an innocent child, it is a parasite until it is born.

We may say that killing is wrong and that human lives are precious, but that certainly isn't what we practice. When I see mass murder (aka war) over beliefs or money or whatever and people dying for whatever their government tells them to, I see that what we REALLY mean is that human lives are expendable in nearly all circumstances.

 

anonymous are you a pro lifer and if you are do you believe in the death penalty ? ..........  I don't support abortion, I support the women's right to chose...............  how can you say that you  are pro life and support the death penalty ....