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The dark side of illegal immigration
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posted by gube on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 at 10:32 PM
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posted by riceme on Jul 20, 2008 at 11:35 PM

Gubes, I'm not saying I disagree with you... I'm a Libertarian for christ sakes. I'm just saying -- friend to friend -- you need to take your meds, just like Mrs. Gube said. When you get on an illegal immigration kick, it rrrrreally seems like you have a one-track mind.

posted by awsmom8 on Jul 21, 2008 at 04:24 AM

Now Gube! Think about it!  You say, "If you are here illegally then is blog is for you!"   But how are they going to read it?  They can't speak English, let alone read it!

 

posted by gube on Jul 21, 2008 at 01:24 PM

Damn it awsmom I didn't think of that ............What now.............I guess i'll have to learn spanash.........not going to happen !

posted by awsmom8 on Jul 21, 2008 at 07:38 PM

Gube --just learn Splanglish! Google has a free online translator--you plug in what you want to say in English and press a button and cool--your text in Spanish.  Then you could post it here!


posted by Yasobich on Jul 21, 2008 at 08:28 PM

Immigration Problem in the U.S.

The first move stopping immigration decided by Congress was a
law in 1862 restricting American vessels to transport Chinese
immigrants to the U.S. The Alien Contract Labor Laws of 1885, 1887,
1888, and 1891 restricted the immigration to the U.S. of people
entering the country to work under contracts made before their
arrival. Alien skilled laborers, under these laws, were allowed to
enter the U.S. to work in new industries. By this time anti-immigrant
felling rose with the flood of immigrants and in this period the
anti-Catholic, anti-foreign political party the Know-Nothings, was
already born.

After World War I a marked increase in racism and the growth
of isolationist sentiment in the U.S. led to demands for further tight
legislation. In 1921 a congressional act provided for a quota system
for immigrants, which the number of aliens of any nationality admitted
to the U.S. in a year could not exceed 3 percent of the number of
foreign-born residents of that nationality living in the U.S. in 1910.
This law applied to nations of Europe, the Middle East, Africa,
Australia, New Zealand, Asian Russia, and certain islands in the
Atlantic and Pacific. In the 1980s concern about the surge of illegal
aliens into the U.S. has led Congress to pass legislation aimed at
cutting illegal immigration. The Immigration Reform and Control Act of
1986 allows most illegal aliens who have resided in the U.S. regularly
since January 1, 1982, to apply for legal status. Also, the law
prohibits employers from hiring illegal aliens and mandates penalties
for violations.

Debate over immigration and immigration policy is not new to
the nation's history. From time to time, Congress jarred legislation
to control the flow of immigration. As immigration rises and hatred
grows more laws will be implemented trying to release some of the
pressure. Illegal immigration has some pros and cons. I will discuss
the pros first and explain them briefly in order for you to get a
better understanding of the position. It offers cheaper labor to
businesses. By not paying minimum wages to the workers who are willing
to work for a lower price, this gives the business an edge over other
competitors. Provides culture diversity in the united states. Bringing
in immigrants gives more and different cultures to the U.S.. which can
expand businesses to other fields of the world. Also giving people a
more understanding of other cultures.

Lowers the cost of products produced in the U.S. that we buy.
If the businesses can produce products and services at a low price
keeping there overhead low, then we as a consumer will also pay a
lower price. Most illegals are skilled workers and helps run the
economy. Other countries economy is also being helped. The workers
bring money to their families out side of the U.S. which in most
cases the U.S. dollar has a higher value than their own.

Experts disagree saying the cons of this issue out way the
pros. Next I will discuss some cons and explain them briefly. Illegal
immigrants pay no tax. If they pay no taxes then how can we as a
country pay for public services we as well as they do. Sending money
out of our economy and sending it to their families abroad. If money
is taken out of our economy it causes a monetary problem. this can
cause an inaccurate account of money in circulation which might cause
inflation. Lower wages. If an illegal is willing to work for under the
minimum wage then the employer will not pay more for the job to any
other employ. In fact might higher only illegals and take away jobs
form legal residents who are willing to work.

When illegals come to this country they do not get tested for
diseases that might infect the population. Which can cause a health
problem. Such as polio, tuberculosis and other forms of diseases.
Illegals cost the states money, paying for education, health care, and
other social services. In an already under funded programs they give
these services a more heavy burden to deal with. Republicans have
reached agreement among themselves on legislation designed to combat
illegal immigration. But with their package facing delaying tactics
from Senate Democrats and a veto from the president, they finished the
week of Sept. 2 uncertain of their next move1 "Republicans need to
show we can govern,"2 said bill sponsor Lamar Smith, R-Texas. "We need
to show we can pass good legislation."3

Dianne Feinstein (d-Calif.) called for tough and controversial
enforcement measures, including imposing a toll on anyone entering the
united states to raise revenues to beef up the Border patrol.4 Sen.
Alan Simpson (R-Wyo.) one of senate's leading authorities on
immigration issues, also proposed a similar border tax ten years ago,
but was defeat in senators fearing it would detour tourists.5

Referring to the Democrats "If they want to go home and do
nothing about illegal immigration, that's a gross violation of what we
should be doing,"6 said Sen. Alan K. Simpson, R-Wyo., sponsor of the
Senate bill. Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., and other Democrats on
the Immigration Subcommittee said Republicans would have to choose
between passing an immigration bill, or proving their ideological
purity on the public school issue.7

Both democrats and republicans agree that illegal immigration
should be dealt with. The problem is they cant agree on anyone
purposes given to them. The Democrats say it is the Republicans fault,
the Republicans say it is the Democrats fault. With this type of
finger pointing neither of them will gain a fast decisive action to
resolve the problem. When it comes to illegal immigrants there are a
lot of interest groups that have been involved in this issue. From
businesses to governments agencies.

First the businesses, especially in agriculture. Agriculture
employs more undocumented workers than any other industry in the
country. Half of California's 700,000 farm workers are estimated to be
undocumented. "Three decades ago, the percentage of foreign-born farm
workers in California was 50 percent,"8 the Chronicle stated. "Now it
is 92 percent."9

Agriculture, however, is not the only industry with an
insatiable need for the cheap labor provided by immigrants. Published
by the Chronicle, a list of businesses fined by the INS in San
Francisco includes a car rental company, construction firms,
restaurants, clubs, a trucker, a travel agency and even a Protestant
church.10 Everywhere one looks today, one sees immigrant workers
cleaning rooms in hotels, mowing lawns in the suburbs, pumping gas in
service stations, doing janitorial chores in countless workplaces,
toiling in the garment industry and doing all sorts of temporary jobs.

These business groups have a lot of interest in illegal
immigration. They provide cheaper labor which cuts costs and causes
better competition. Richard Rogers, district director of the INS in
Los Angeles, was quoted as saying: "If we were to increase fines 75 to
80 percent, we would probably have a lot of people out of business."11

Government agencies are also involved. The new immigration
legislation nearly doubles the size of the Border Patrol. In addition,
National Guard and active-duty armed forces personnel are used more
and more along the border. Local police forces are also being
authorized to enforce immigration law, says Roberto Martinez of the
American Friends Service Committee's U.S./Mexico border program.12

Possible solutions to the problem. Faster citizens processing,
helping illegals country's economy such as NAFTA which is already in
affect. Some suggest tamper proof residency cards, computerize the
I.N.S., increases the number of boarder patrol agents, and build a
wall around the U.S. and problem countries. There has been many
suggestions made in dealing with this problem. The Gallegly bill is
one of them. If ever completed by House-Senate conferees, is likely to
include several conditions already adopted in similar form by both
chambers. As passed by the House and Senate, the bill would:

Increase the number of border patrol agents by 1,000 each year
between 1996 and 2000, roughly doubling the force to reach 10,000.
Make it difficult for people caught trying to enter the United States
illegally, or overstaying a visa, from being granted visas in the
future. Establish pilot programs in which employers could
electronically check the immigration status of their employees.
Restrict public benefits for legal immigrants by increasing the time
for which their sponsors are responsible for them. This section is
partially obtained by the welfare law, which denies benefits to many
legal immigrants. Allows the deportation of legal immigrants
who illegally accepted public benefits for 12 months or more. Besides
the Gallegly provision, which is in the House bill only, conferees
face two other issues with major disagreements between the two
chambers:

The House would require that any family wishing to sponsor a
legal immigrant earn at least twice the poverty rate. The Senate
bill would require the family to earn an income one-fourth higher
than the poverty rate. The House bill would also make it much more
difficult to apply for political asylum, both for those who apply
upon entry into the United States or for those already on U.S. soil.

Immigration experts generally agree that the Clinton
Administration has devoted more attention to immigration than either
of its two Republican predecessors and he always has at least two
reactions: his initial public statement (determined largely by
public-opinion polls, which show support for restrictions), and then
the actual policy (as determined by his advisors and the various
special interests they represent).

Clinton proposed legislation that included expedited exclusion
for frivolous asylum claimants, an increase in INS asylum personnel,
and various anti-smuggling provisions. President Clinton's record on
legal immigration. In June 1995, the U.S. Commission on Immigration
Reform, chaired by the late Barbara Jordan, recommended a modest cut
in legal immigration and the elimination of some extended-family
immigration categories.

President Clinton immediately endorsed the recommendations as
"consistent with my own views" and added that they "are pro-family,
pro-work, pro-naturalization."13 Clinton's record on illegal
immigration, since that is a major focus of his re-election campaign,
particularly in California, a must-win state. Less than three months
after taking office Clinton sent to Congress his Fiscal Year 1994
budget proposal for the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which
included cutting 93 Border Patrol positions. President Clinton gave a
speech in which he proclaimed that "our borders leak like a sieve" and
urged that $45.1 million be spent to beef up the Border Patrol,
including six hundred new agents.14 He failed to mention that the
House had already approved an additional $60 million for the Border
Patrol, or that the Senate Appropriations Committee had approved an
additional $45 million.

One of the California's response to the problem was
proposition 187. This proposition seeks to deny social services to
illegals and their children. Pete Wilson, governor of California,
announces his intention to file a suit against the federal government
for "its failure to control our nation's borders."15 He claims that
there are a million illegal residents in the city of Los Angles alone,
and that since 1988 the taxpayers of California have spent more than
$10 million in education, medical, and prison costs for illegal
immigrants.

My personal opinion is not good for illegal immigrants. I
believe that illegals should deal with their problems in their
countries, instead of coming here and creating more problems. If there
country has a poor economy then they should fix it. In the long run
it would be good for their country, but I know this is easier said
than done. The illegals that are already here should be deported. The
term "illegal" speaks for itself , that is what they are called
illegals. Also they should not live and take up social services that
legal residents use. Some people say "They have the right to use these
services they, pay sales tax and don't file income tax which in most
cases the government owes them." Well I do not see it that way. I
found that a majority of illegals that work here take the money out of
the country and into there families in other countries. Most of their
net income goes outside of the U.S. economy.

My father came to this country over 30 years ago. He applied
for a visa, which took him two years to get, complied with all
regulations dealing with immigration to the U.S. After arriving to the
U.S. he work hard to became a legal resident and finally a citizen,
gaining all privileges of that citizenship. Why should others come and
take those privileges while they come here illegally.

Out of the solutions given in section three the one I believe
to be the best is the Gallegly bill. I believe that a tighter
restriction with added border patrol would be the best and reasonable
option. Building a wall with machine gun towers would be a great
deterrent as in the old Germany, but I don't think that's America's
style.

posted by olivia on Jul 21, 2008 at 09:28 PM

So....if anyone reads this....give me the short version....

posted by riceme on Jul 21, 2008 at 09:35 PM

yeah, no sh!t. there are no paragraph breaks, and i'm already legally blind. i don't wear those freaking goggles because they're so hot.

posted by gube on Jul 21, 2008 at 09:45 PM

It says run for your live because illegal aliens are taking over.........................and that all of the USA's ills are a result of illegal aliens................

posted by Yasobich on Jul 21, 2008 at 10:11 PM

oops sorry hehehehe


posted by Gube2 on Jul 22, 2008 at 11:59 AM

I know Spanglish Gube! I could help you!


posted by gube on Jul 22, 2008 at 07:05 PM

Supporters of illegal immigration makes me sick. Your total disregard for this great country and its law's just is plain wrong. You live in America and you clearly hate Americans. At least i talk crap about non Americans. your a traitor and a disgrace to America. Illegal aliens and people that support them might as well be sticking a knife in the back of this country. Be a good American and turn in an illegal immigrant today,it is the right thing to do.If you love America the turn in a criminal today. America will be better off because of it.Support the border fence.

posted by notsodesperatehousewife on Jul 23, 2008 at 10:31 AM

Windfall Tax on Retirement Income ...........  WTF!!!!!!!!

Adding a tax to your retirement is simply another way of saying to the American people, you're so darn stupid that we're going to keep doing this until we drain every cent from you.  That's what the Speaker of the House is saying.  Read below......

Nancy Pelosi wants a Windfall Tax on Retirement Income.  In other words, tax what you have made by investing toward your retirement.  This woman is a nut case!   You aren't going to believe this....

Madam Speaker Nancy Pelosi wants to put a Windfall Tax on all stock market profits (including retirement funds, 401K and Mutual Funds!    Alas, it's true- all to help the 20 Million Illegal Immigrants and other unemployed Minorities!!!

This woman is frightening.....   She quotes, "WE NEED TO WORK TOWARD THE GOAL OF EQUALIZING INCOME ( didn't Marx say something like this) IN OUR COUNTRY AND AT THE SAME TIME LIMITING THE AMOUNT THE RICH CAN INVEST" ( I'm not rich, are you?)

When asked how these tax dollars would be spent, she relied,

" WE NEED TO RAISE THE STANDARD OF LIVING OF OUR POOR, UNEMPLOYED AND MINORITIES.  FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE AN ESTIMATED 12 ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN OUR COUNTRY THAT NEED OUR HELP ALONG WITH MILLIONS OF UNEMPLOYED MINORITIES.  STOCK MARKET WINDFALL PROFITS TAXES COULD GO A LONG WAY TO GUARANTEE THESE PEOPLE THE STANDARD OF LIVING THE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AS AMERICANS'."

 Read that quote again and again and let it sink in.  Lower your retirement, give it to others who have not worked for it!!!!!!

posted by gube on Jul 23, 2008 at 10:49 AM

notsodespretehousewife........good comment.........The pro illegal immigration crowd does not have our best interests at stake..........Why in the hell is it mine or yours responsibility to feed and house people that repeatedly break and snub their noses at our laws and our way of life........People that are here illegally..........people that don't belong here until they follow the proper channels......................Illegal immigration supporters are bad for this country.......... 

and this is how they thank us..........

 

posted by notsodesperatehousewife on Jul 23, 2008 at 10:59 AM

It's not our responsiblity to take care of all the illegals in this country.  Pelosi is out of her gourd!!!  I'm pissed that Juan, his wife and six kids and four other family members live in what my housing development calls a "single family housing tract"

posted by gube on Jul 23, 2008 at 11:14 AM

But notsodesperathousewife shame on you.......all they want is a better life....................At your expense

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