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I like the way Barak thinks..He seem very methodical ...I believe he can be trusted ..(unlike our current president) And he was baptized into the United Curch of Christ..He is not a muslim!!!
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posted by idoteeth on Saturday, February 24, 2007 at 12:30 PM
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posted by Blaze on Feb 24, 2007 at 06:26 PM
Okay I've asked this before on this site and I'll ask it again since I haven't gotten an answer yet. Why do you say Bush can't be trusted? If you're going to say because he lied, please state what lie(s) he told and your evidence to back it up.
posted by LoriMorales on Feb 25, 2007 at 09:39 AM

Shall we call it a lie?  I'm not exactly sure and none of us will know for many years.  What we do know is there are documentations provided by prior White House executives and mititary personnel in high places, stating that the Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Ashcroft coalition had a propensity - prior to 9/11 - to set the stage for war with Iraq.  So, we then conclude that the  "books were cooked" and that led to giving credibility to wrong intellegence about WM.  Congress then provided the president with an open checkbook and methodolgy for our terribly misguided path in Iraq.  Many books are now out there that talk about the warning signs on the intellegence that took us to war - Cobra II is very highly rated.  Bush and his cronies were well aware of the problems with the intelligence reports on WMB, Hussein's nucleur capabilities, etc.

So, how to you define a "lie?" At a minimum, Bush accepted and dissimenated misleading information known to be unreliable and incorrect.  And that  "lie" didn't end up with a very dirty blue dress.  In my reading, it leads me to believe that Bush (and his chosen advisors) purposely mislead us - and the result has been catostrophic.  His leadership in listening to only people in agreement with himself and poor war strategy have caused unknown numbers of death.  

"Lie" is a very strong word.  I have found that usually, people who tell lies, don't consider themselves liers.  We hear the word "spin" so often that it has become an acceptable way to report news.  And at the base of most "spins" - is really reporting incomplete data.  I could prove to you, without lying, that the earth is flat - just by "spinning" the truth and elimating data proving otherwise.  Would you want to make a life and death decision based on the way I make conclusions - knowing I elimate information that disputes my conclusions?

posted by olebluelight on Feb 26, 2007 at 12:21 AM
posted by olebluelight on Feb 26, 2007 at 12:24 AM
posted by olebluelight on Feb 26, 2007 at 12:27 AM
posted by Blaze on Feb 26, 2007 at 03:01 PM
If Bush "cooked the books" he is a lot smarter than anybody gives him credit for. He would have had to not only cook the books of US intelligence but the intelligence of the Brits, the Germans, the French, and the Russians. If he did think that US intelligence was unreliable, the fact that four other countries were all saying Iraq has WMD would be confirmation to the biggest of pessimists. Proof of that is that even the Democrats, who are traditionally anti-war,  got on board with it. They saw the same intelligence that Bush did and came to the same conclusion. Now they would like a do-over. Well who wouldn't knowing what we know now. Unfortunately, Secretary Powell was correct when he said "you break it, you own it". Well we broke it and now we own it. And we can't just leave and let the pieces fall where they may. We have a responsibility to fix what we have broken. I"ll be the first to admit that Bush's strategy has been bad. But we have to give this new change in strategy a chance to work. And it is not an escalation, as it has been called. It is simply sending in reinforcements where they are needed.
posted by Colitas on Feb 26, 2007 at 03:23 PM
Blaze - I have been trying to keep my nose out of this but after your blog I no longer can.  I absolutely loved it.  That is what I have been saying (at home, not on this blog) but not as well said.  I'm not saying I am a supporter of this war but what you said hit the nail right on the head.  People seem to want to "lynch" somebody, and one person is easier than many.
posted by aerospace1 on Feb 26, 2007 at 03:30 PM
Lori, Looks like you are the popular blogger today,,,,,,never say anything here unless you are prepared to back it up, so you think Bush cooked the books huh?, and you say,,,,,,At a minimum, Bush accepted and dissimenated misleading information known to be unreliable and incorrect",  can you prove this?, or, is it just your humble opinion?
posted by VtKid on Feb 26, 2007 at 04:05 PM
This is what happens when you are trying to keep in line with polls, you have to change your story to match what the polls say. Instead of being of firm conviction and principles, just waffle in the breeze!! That's why I believe people will see what they get from these Democrats and realize oops, they are what they are after all. Hindsight is always 20/20 and Blaze is right - we may have not had the best plan but we need to be united in following through. Of course, everybody has read all the intel about Iraq, attended all the classified briefings?? Oh wait, is that the sound of a non-binding resolution  . . . great support for the military and their families. We support the troops but I must vote to cut the money for your supplies and reinforcements so you can bleed a slow death. Chicken @#$%'s
posted by oohchild on Feb 27, 2007 at 09:45 AM

How about this lie from President Bush, regarding the WTC attacks: "I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."

There is no way that Dubya saw the first plane attack, since video of the impact didn't surface until well after he finished reading "My Pet Goat" & was whisked away from the Florida elementary school.

I don't have any problem with Bush being called a liar.

posted by aerospace1 on Feb 27, 2007 at 10:20 AM
what is your source for that quote oohchild?, if it is a fact, this is the first I have ever heard of it,,,,,
posted by oohchild on Feb 27, 2007 at 10:52 AM

http://www.whitehouse.gov/n...

The statement is near the end of the transcript.

posted by aerospace1 on Feb 27, 2007 at 11:19 AM
Interesting catch oohchild,,,,,looks like your right,,,,,but, perhaps he was just telling a story to school children about 9/11 and wanted to make then understand more about what was happening,,,, what were talking about here on this blog is more about intelligence concerning the war with Iraq and the overthrow of Saddam Hussein,whether Bush made up or lied about intelligence or, if the entire world had the same intelligence and we acted on it, still, no one has come up with proof that Bush lied about the intelligence, like many people still say today..
posted by beekeeper on Feb 27, 2007 at 11:42 AM
He was telling a story to school children about a goat. Not about WTC. He was informed of the attacks as he sat in front of the kids. And our president wasn't whisked away from the Florida elemetary school. He sat there! He could have said, "Okay, kids, I have big presidential business now. it was nice seeing you." or "George Washington just called me, I have to go..." But he just sat there. He didn't attend to the problem immediately. One minute is too long. 10  minutes.. way too long... Sorry, I know it is old news and it has nothing to do with this blog, but I am simply responding to oohchild and aero.
posted by chpcvis on Feb 27, 2007 at 11:42 AM

oohchild

How about this lie from President Bush, regarding the WTC attacks: "I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."

There is no way that Dubya saw the first plane attack, since video of the impact didn't surface until well after he finished reading "My Pet Goat" & was whisked away from the Florida elementary school.

I don't have any problem with Bush being called a liar.

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This is all twisted hype from the ultra left Bush haters.

The thing you quote as proof a lie was a generalized statement made by the President 3 years after the fact.

The actual quote is "I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw THAT an airplane HAD hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."

At 8:45am  American Airlines Flight 11 crashes into the north tower of the World Trade Center. The first live news footage of the WTC were broadcast at 8:48 on CBS with everyone else broadcasting within 2-3 minutes.

The President was briefed there had been an "accident" immediately and a TV was turned on for him. (In case you've forgotten, everyone thought it an accident until the 2nd plane hit.)

The President, still thinking it was a tragic accident, started his reading time with the kids at 9:00.

 At 9:03 the United Airlines Flight 175  crashed into the south tower and at 9:05, as seen by everyone in later footage, the President was briefed about the 2nd crash and shortly wrapped up his reading with the kids and departed.

As he exited the "reading room", I'm sure he, like everyone else in the world, saw the footage of the 2nd crash.

My facts and timeline come from a CNN report and they cite their sources.

I'm sure you either buying the leftist lies or you are willfully twisting the truth because you choose to do so.

Either way, I don't have any problem with you being called a liar.

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