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jewels - > -> If you don't believe in God...
If you don't believe in God...
What exactly do you believe?  Just wondering..
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posted by jewels on Wednesday, December 5, 2007 at 01:19 PM
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posted by Sparks on Dec 9, 2007 at 09:29 AM

Are you an alcoholic?

1. Do you lose time from work due to your drinking?

2. Is drinking making your home life unhappy?

3. Do you drink because you are shy with other people?

4. Is drinking affecting your reputation?

5. Have you ever felt remorse after drinking?

6. Have you gotten into financial difficulties as a result of your drinking?

7. Do you turn to lower companions and an inferior environment when drinking?

8. Does your drinking make you careless of your family's welfare?

9. Has your ambition decreased since drinking?

10. Do you crave a drink at a definite time daily?

11. Do you want a drink the next morning?

12. Does drinking cause you to have difficulty in sleeping?

13. Has your efficiency decreased since drinking?

14. Is drinking jeopardizing your job or business?

15. Do you drink to escape from worries or troubles?

16. Do you drink alone?

17. Have you ever had a complete loss of memory as a result of your drinking?

18. Has your physician ever treated you for drinking?

19. Do you drink to build up your self-confidence?

20. Have you ever been in a hospital or institution on account of drinking?

If you have answered YES to any one of the questions, there is a definite warning that you may be an alcoholic.

If you have answered YES to any two, the chances are that you are an alcoholic.

If you have answered YES to three or more, you are definitely an alcoholic.

Sparks answered YES to 12 of these questions in 1987

Oh yeah, the blackouts, they were scary!!!

posted by Sparks on Dec 9, 2007 at 04:47 PM

Jewels, what I think you need to do is re-read what I wrote and quit judging me.  I never said I wasn't an alcoholic. I was simply making fun of you for not believing me when I said I was an alcoholic. Did you not see at the bottom of the 20 question where I said I answered 12 YES? We have been through this before. Your anger at me being different than you and your inability to accept my truth is getting kind of irritating.  I will NOT stop sponsoring people simply because you don't agree with the way I live my life.  It's NOT all about you.   My sponsees, disagree with you, but then they don't believe every book is written in stone either.   None of my sponsees have relapsed/drank again, and I have sponsored some of them for over 15 years.  So again you are incorrect in your assesment of me being a sponsor. You can continue to bash who I am, but I will not be responding to your posts in the future.  I have much better things to do with my time.

LIVE and LET LIVE

posted by Colitas on Dec 9, 2007 at 05:09 PM
I hate it when you two get on this particular subject.  I remember last time.  You both believe in your "steps" 110% and it is commendable.  I respect what both of you say and really listen to most of your comments.  It just pains me when I see this subject with you two---I don't know you two personally, but I think I would be proud to.  It's almost like seeing two of your best friends fighting....except I only know you from here.  Hope you two agree to disagree and keep on opening my eyes on other topics. 
posted by Sparks on Dec 9, 2007 at 06:07 PM

Ditto Colitas, it pains me as well.   I am more than happy to agree to disagree with Jewels.  But, I don't disagree with her in the first place, I think the way she follows the steps is in HER best interests and indeed the best way for most alcoholics. I understand her belief that no alcoholic can ever drink, I only know of one other person like me in the hundreds of alcoholics I have met.  Sadly I'm an oddball and she can't accept the fact that I was once an alcoholic, and yet today I drink occasionally. without a problem, or an urge to get drunk.  

Other than telling her an untruth, what can I do Colitas???  I won't bash her, two wrongs do not make a right and I don't get angry anymore in order to live a normal life.  Thus, I choose to do nothing, I simply will not respond to her posts anymore..   Don't let this sadden you Colitas.   Such is life.  

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

posted by madkow2747 on Dec 9, 2007 at 07:19 PM
Geez, reading over those alcoholic questions- I answered YES to three of them!  But they didn't mention frequency of drinking, haha!  I don't think that getting piss drunk twice a year makes me an alcoholic :) 
posted by scottso on Dec 9, 2007 at 07:25 PM
Honestly, anyone who drinks at all would probably answer yes to at least 2.
posted by jewels on Dec 10, 2007 at 09:36 AM

Yeah, maybe we should stay off this subject....GOD (that i DO believe in) grant me the serenity...Love you too Colitas...I guess on this particular subject I am one sided.  Sorry but that is the way i feel.  No hard feelings.  I see now that you were being sarcastic and saying you were an alcoholic.  My bad. I just know that for 99.9999% of alcoholics~real alcoholics (as the book calls them), cannot take that drink, for if real alcoholic it is fatal.  I am really not such a bad person.

man, i thought we were talking about God or no God or whatever, why do we have to talk about alcoholism....geez i need a drink :)

posted by jewels on Dec 10, 2007 at 09:49 AM
i erased my comment about your sponsorship status, that was just a shi%%y thing to say.  I mean sponsees could be reading this and I wouldnt want to taint thier progress by being such a stubborn beeoch
posted by Joty on Dec 10, 2007 at 09:54 AM

Man made booze - god made pot...Who do you trust?  :)

But Benjamin Franklin said beer was proof god wanted man to be happy.

posted by bigdog on Dec 10, 2007 at 09:56 AM

Don't forget Peyote and mushrooms.

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