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jimr - > TEHACHAPI SAFETY, SECURITY AND POLITICAL ISSUES -> RE: HALL AMBULANCE SERVICE(S)
RE: HALL AMBULANCE SERVICE(S)

I do not know Mr. Hall and have thankfully never needed the services of his Ambulance Company. However, As a Member of the Tehachapi Hospital Foundation I have a great interest in seeing that our ill and injured citizens be transported to the nearest hospital AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. After all, it could well be a matter of Life or Death!

Until we are able to build our new hospital locally (perhaps another year...or two) we are at the mercy of Hall Ambulance to transport us to the nearest hospital. 50 miles away..and an hours drive. Why do we need to wait still another half hour for an ambulance to arrive from Mojave or Arvin? That's an hour and a half wait. Some of us will arrive at the hospital stone cold DEAD! We need a 2nd. ambulance Mr. Hall. Would you like to trade places with us?

Jim Richards

 
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Topics: ANOTHER AMBULANCE, PLEASE!
posted by jimr on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 at 09:20 AM
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posted by coolfire on Jun 16, 2007 at 02:19 PM

Native, thats just like Tehachapi starting there own police dept. to have "local control" but than having Bear Valley P.D. doing thier dispatching for what looks like a lot of $$$.  Oops, back to the subject.  Fire paramedics will not cost Harv any $$,  probably save him some.  Thats why I don't understand Hall's or Nmedics perceptions.  If Tehachapi is such a special place for Harv, why doesn't he support the best care for the citizens by allowing fire als which would mean early als intervention for those in need.  Oh, I forgot about his BIG ego.  Just like when Harv got some award from the city several months ago for his dedication to Tehachapi.  What did he do?  Grabbed his award and his flunkies and ran out the door.......

 

posted by NMedic on Jun 16, 2007 at 03:32 PM
I don't know about Hall owning Liberty.  I haven't read or heard anything on the subject.  But thank you Duster for getting my point.  It won't truy matter for definitive patient care if fire is ALS.  Crtitical patients will still have an hour long transport.  If you have to have ALS fire then do it.  But do it with the understanding that you are going to pay for it (taxs will have to go up to pay for the expensive training and equipment), there is a possibility of a conflict of interest (i.e. not responding to medical if there is a fire/hazmat), and that there is a limit to what any paramedic can do.  To hail ALS fire as solving all problems is dangerous.  That is all I am tying to say.  The best thing for the community in terms of emergency care is a better hospital.  The attention should be focused on that (just my opinion).  Having ALS fire is going to be a long battle.  I don't know if kern county is ready for that.  I have nothing against fire (contrary to a few opinions on here).  They do have their job and they do it well.       &n bsp;  
posted by anonymous on Jun 16, 2007 at 03:40 PM

Fire always responds Life then Property. So there will be no conflict of interest....

posted by coolfire on Jun 16, 2007 at 03:49 PM
  Nmedic,  you are right, fire als is not the cure all.  It's just another attempt to improve services for the people.  No conflict of interest in responses as life takes precedence over property.  If there is a conflict it is with the ambulance dispatching as ambulances are very busy doing transfers from one hospital to the other.  Can we see $$$$.  The whole paramedic concept public or private is to get als on scene asap and stabilize people for transport to the hospital.  You contradict yourself  "It won't truely matter for definitive patient care if fire is ALS."  Sounds like you are saying privates are better.  Again, you have to have a properly staffed hospital with ambulances to get people there.   If you really want to talk conflict of interest, let's look at the county air ambulance policy and why the fire dept helicopter is not allowed to be used for ems unless all the private helicopters in Kern, San Bernardino, and Fresno Counties are unavailable.  Even if it's a lot closer.  But that is a different story.. 
posted by mrguy on Jun 16, 2007 at 04:12 PM
NMedic,  Sorry I can't reply back to you on here every ten minutes.  But, I do have a life.  You continue to say the same things over and over and they still don't make any sense.  Your arguments against fire service paramedicine are completely pointless.  The articles you sent me are written from the same "private ambulance" mentality as yours and have no true validity either.  Remember, the fire service is multi-functional.  We don't just do "fires".  In fact fire calls are a very small percentage of what we do,  while "medical aid" calls account for over seventy percent of our emergency activity.  As much as Harvey would like, we just are not going to stop going on medical aid calls.  So you private ambulance people just need to get over it.  And since medical aids seem to provide the bulk of our emergency responses what is really wrong with us providing an ALS level of service?  Also rescue and life safety is our number one priority.  We don't go put the fire out prior to providing any life safety measures that are necessary.  How about we handle the emergency at hand prior to worrying about what might happen while we're there.  Some of the arguments on here are just crazy.  We take the emergency calls as they come in regardless if it's a medical aid or a structure fire.  Sometimes the fires just have to wait until units can clear from the call they're currently on.  That's emergency services.

As for NMedic, we know you work for Liberty ambulance.  So why is Harvey trying to keep that such a secret?  He already owns most the County anyway. 
posted by NMedic on Jun 17, 2007 at 08:13 AM

Wow, totally off base.  I guess you can say whatever you want on here and say its true.  My name is Brian and I do not work for Liberty/Hall.  I guess it was too much to hope you would stay on topic.  Your attacks are malicious.  I have reported each of you posters for slander and personal attacks.  It is against posting policy.  I just hope that when that person goes in to work that he/she isn't treated badly by KCFD for your statements. You are totally irresponsible in your posts.  I may be anti als fire (not fire in general) but it is obvious you are anti private companies.  How interesting that you feel that you are right and that there is no room for discussion.  How about instead of attacking me, you stick to topic.  If that isn't too difficult.  Also, if you harass my aunt and uncle then I will be seeking to press charges (and I did report that post as well).     

 

PS.  And, yes I did delete posts that had personal information because you guys are vicious and frankly, very scary in your activities. 

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posted by jimr on Jun 17, 2007 at 11:10 AM

I agree with the Admin. here. This is an excerpt from my original post:

"Until we are able to build our new hospital locally (perhaps another year...or two) we are at the mercy of Hall Ambulance to transport us to the nearest hospital."

I am astonished at both the number of Comments and the number of Viewers to my original post. This has certainly hit a Hot Button issue with many people. However, I am chagrined that there are those who have turned their responses into some kind of personal agenda.

There are many of us who have been working tirelessly, behind the scenes, to help get our new hospital built so that this issue will someday soon become moot! Until then, we are ALL in the same boat and should learn to Help, rather than Hurt, each other. Thanks,

Jim Richards

posted by anonymous on Jun 17, 2007 at 07:10 PM

Jim, 

Unfortunately your statement "There are many of us who have been working tirelessly, behind the scenes, to help get our new hospital built so that this issue will someday soon become moot!" really isn't true.  Although having a local hospital that can  provide the necessary procedures/specialists would make things better as far as transportation, a brand-new shiny building (new hospital) isn't going to do the slightest bit of good if the hospital administration continues to consist of un-trained, un-qualified, self-serving individuals. The current administration continues to cover-up for it's previous cover-ups, and protect doctors who should not be working there (or anywhere), and they are willing to take down anyone or anything that gets in there way. One can only hope that the current Board of Directors actually follows up on their admissions that there is an internal problem within the administration, otherwise the public can only expect to receive continued substandard care whether they go to the old hospital building or the new hospital building.  You can buy all the new equipment and supplies you want but if you employee staff that doesn't care about the patients or their families (and administration that backs up that behavior), then the community is still better off making the 50 minute drive to Bakersfield or Lancaster and waiting the extra time to be seen in a hospital with qualified, caring individuals who have the proper equipment to help you.

posted by anonymous on Jun 18, 2007 at 07:46 AM
What a retarded thing to say concerned.
posted by mrguy on Jun 18, 2007 at 02:57 PM
I think it's really sad when admin has to get involved here because someone wants to hide behind their computer and portray themselves as something they are not.  The internet is a great tool.  It's a shame when a select few feel the need the abuse it then hide behind their anonymity, or their perceived anonymity.  If you really want to protect your identity and your true motives then you probably should not email  members of this user group with your private email account and your real name.  Google is a great tool, you can find a lot of information there.  There are a lot of great paramedics at Hall Ambulance and the KCFD.  If you bad mouth any Fire Service organization with unfounded accusations and statements then don't be surprised when the people that work in those organizations stand and defend themselves or debate their position on the given subject.  

Guy Lawrence, EMT-Paramedic
Member KCFF Local 1301
Proudly serving the Tehachapi Valley
posted by GregL on Jun 19, 2007 at 05:45 AM
I happened to drive by the Hall Ambulance station in town yesterday (Monday) while looking for another business nearby and saw two ambulances there!  Is this a new thing?
posted by mrguy on Jun 19, 2007 at 06:42 AM
They always have two and sometimes three ambulances parked at the station,  they are just not always staffed.  They are trying to run a 12 hr. day car right now but don't always have personnel for for it.  It sure is nice when they do.
posted by NMedic on Jun 19, 2007 at 07:24 PM

Hopefully a change for the better.  I heard a rumor that the county is considering changing response time areas for up here.  This will force Hall to staff another ambulance at least.  Now if the hospital gets on board, Tehachapi will be a much safer place. 

PS.  If you want to defend your oganization that is fine, but don't do it by posting lies and slander.  The only thing that does is alienate people and create possible legal issues.  Hopefully that person does not run into any trouble over this.

posted by coolfire on Jun 20, 2007 at 04:53 PM
The whole idea is for better public safety.  Public and private agencies working together.  Nmedic, did you ever find the Grand Jury report??
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