Well I support 7 out of 10................... I support1,3 and 4 the most and I do not support 7, 8 and 10 .........

Well, how about you get your law degree and go against the ACLU?  Fight them in the courts instead of in the media.  But maybe I'm a little biased, since I happen to agree with 7 out of the 10 things you've listed there, and I'm not even far left.  They have also done a great many good things for citizens' rights- how about a sampling of those?

Hah, Gube- we both support 7 of them, but my 7 are mostly different from yours.  I agree with 3-9.

madkow do you know what # 9 means? Terri Schiavo wasn't euthanized .....She had her feeding tube removed right? I thought her husband did the right thing. I hope my wife would..........

I'm confused!  You say  "in my opinion, I know this is the right adgenda for the USA."  Are you referring that the above statements are the right adgenda for the USA?

For Your information  --here is what the ACLU has done TO PROTECT students and the bible in public schools:

"First, children are free to pray in public schools either as individuals or in groups. In addition, whenever a teacher opens up an assignment topic for the children's choice (such as which book to read, what to discuss in a talk to the class, or which song to sing), students may choose religious themes - and the ACLU has protected their right to do so. In addition, schools may offer courses about religion or about the Bible or other religious works.

And when was the last time you were in a public school or library?  They use "NET NANNIES" to filter out porno.  This idea is just a figment of your wild imagination.  Go ahead--call all the school districts in the US--none of them allow unfiltered Internet.

Another example of right wing imaginations GONE WILD!

The worse moment in my life was when I told the medical staff to discontinue my husband's life support.  I could hardly say the words, and had to whisper them. He was 47 yo, and we had a 9 and 10 year waiting at home for dad.  It was the only decision I could make, as I didn't want him to die a slow terrible death. If I didn't, he would have been discharged to a nursing home.  There he would have slowly suffocated for 4-8 weeks until pneumonia filled his lungs with fluid.  And the final outcome? He still would have died.  So I did what I hope someone will do for me someday, and that is no feeding tube and to die a peaceful death while in family's arms. My husband was an organ donor.  There are several people still alive today because of his death and our family's decision.

The terrible tragedy of Terri would have been avoided had a feeding tube NOT been inserted in the first place. This dilema has been made available by the advances in health care.  People did not get feeding tubes years ago and they always died so the ethical idea of prolonging life has come about. People need to accept that death IS a fact of life.

Awsmom you are one of my favs on this blog site and thank you for sharing about your husband........I know it must be tough at times but from what you tell us here on the blogs your husband would be very proud of you...........

Well said Awsmom! I can't imagine what you went through, but I admire your strength and courage!

I don't agree 100% with the ACLU either, but at times it is necessary. I support 2, 5, 6 & 9. I don't care one way or another about 1, 3 & 4, and 7, 8 & 10 I don't support at all.

awsmom8, I understand what you went through as my brother made the same decision as he was losing his fight against MS. I know how horrible it feels, even though you're telling yourself it's the best of a bad lot. I'm with Joty in admiration of you!

Regarding this list posted, does everyone believe all of these positions are truly the stance (no Senator Craig, not right now) of the ACLU? Could some of these things America has had to "endure" really just be twisted propaganda in order to instill fear?

Just askin'...

;-)

Well like a bunch of others, I support much of what is up there. 

1. Denial of student led prayer in the public schools, colleges and townhall meetings

   I'm all for this.  Separation of Church and State.  If tax dollars are paying for it, it doesn't belong there.  If you want religion in schools, use your personal funds to send your kids to a religious private school.  I don't have a problem with kids praying in school.  But student led prayer implies prayer groups, which soon grows in to bible clubs, which soon grows into recruitment.  These things have no place in school.  Even the founding fathers knew this, and they were very religious.

2. Partial birth abortion and for that matter, abortion at any time up to delivery 

   This I have mixed feelings on.  I believe if it is a danger to the mother (physically and/or psychologically) it should be an option.  Otherwise I'm 110% against it.  If my wife was pregnant, and the doctors discovered a problem where my wife could/would die due to the pregnancy or delivery -- I'm choosing my wife and to "hell" with anyone that tells me the baby comes first.

3. Threats to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance and our money

   The original Pledge did not have the words "under God" in it.  It was added by The Knights of Columbus in 1951 when they said the pledge at their meetings, taken from Lincoln's usage in the Gettysberg Address, at which point they began lobbying the president to have it "officially" amended unsuccessfully.  The nutshell is that a reverend convinced Eisenhower, who helped push it through Congress and in 1954 those words were "officially" added to the Pledge.  So Its only been part of the pledge for 54 years.  Less than a lifetime.

   Money has a similar story.  It wasn't on money until 1956 -- an even shorter amount of time.

   The reason those references to God weren't in the Pledge and on money?  Separation of Church of and State.

   I'd be all for restoring the pledge and the money like it was for 200 years prior, but since the words don't mean anything to me, I don't really care and its not a battle worth fighting when there important issues.

   As an aside, this is why I hate having a Congress and a President of the same party.  You get all these ridiculous extreme right or left "wonderful ideas" that pass with ease.

4. Removal of monuments and plaques of the 10 Commandments at city, county and state public buildings, courtrooms and schools across America

   They don't belong there.  See #1, and #3.  I'd also add that putting quotes from the Christian and Jewish Bible all over courtrooms doesn't exactly exude a feeling of fairness if you are in court for something and happen to be of, say, an eastern religion.

5. The imposition of the homosexual agenda in public schools thru Gay/Straight Alliances.  (SB777)
   

   The way you stated this is entirely misleading.  SB777 is affording the same consideration to sexual orientation as currently afforded to matters of gender, race, religious belief, disability, etc.  I'm all for this.  Homosexuals exist, have always existed and will exist in the future so you better start getting used to the idea.  They aren't going to go away.

6. The imposition of homosexual marriage thru our judicial system

   There is no logical and coherent argument that homosexual marriage should be forbidden.  Unless you try to bring religious arguments.  I'm sure there are plenty of homosexuals that really don't care if your religion of choice forbids it. Nor do I for that matter.  As far as state recognized marriages, religion doesn't factor in (again that pesky separation of Church and State thing!) 

7. Unfiltered pornography on the Internet in our public schools and libraries

   I'm against anything that restricts or censors access to any and all types of information.  If you don't want to see it, don't look at it.  But don't attempt to dictate what others can and can't see. What is considered pornography today may not be in the future.  Victoria's Secret catalogs would be considered pornographic in 1920. Heck probably 1950 too. ;)  You see worse on TV.

8. Defending terrorists such as those held at Guantanamo Bay, saying they have legal rights instead of being treated as enemy combatants, thus putting America at risk!

   This one is not about terrorists rights per se. Its about human rights. This is one that could affect you personally.  Its not a very big step from just sending "terrorists" there, to sending "criminal elements" there to sending anyone they point at there.  It's a HUGE legal sidestep to take away the rights of anyone the governement wants disappeared.  The whole concept should be EXTREMELY SCARY to anyone who calls themselves American.  Besides the key word you left out is, "SUSPECTED".  They are SUSPECTED terrorists.  Which is a very different thing than KNOWN terrorist.  Anyone could be a suspected terrorist.  That guy taking photographs!  That guy buying a lot of fertilizer!  That guy who looks middle eastern!  That guy that doesn't believe the same way I do! ;P

   You think all the U.S. citizens of Japanese decent were worried about being rounded up before Pearl Harbor?  It CAN happen to you.

9. Support of euthanasia as in the tragic case of Terri Schiavo

   As others have said, I would hope that if I'm in desparate pain with no hope of survival, someone will pull the plug.

10. Uncontrolled borders and unrestricted immigration, allowing for thousands and millions of illegal aliens and criminals to enter the U.S. 

    I never heard anyone from the ACLU say this.  Can you site a source for this?

Anyway, thats my nutshell take if anyone cares. :)   I don't agree with the ACLU all the time, but the points listed here I don't have a problem with, once the obviously loaded and twisted phrasing is corrected.  All of the objection to these are soley based on a Christian religious objection and I just don't buy into that.  Besides in this day and age of extremism and fundamentalism you need the opposite extreme around to balance things out apparently.

What about Praying before football games scottso?, should this be banned too?, what about when a player is injured, and the team huddles and prays, should this be banned?

I do like how you think Scottso. I only differ in that I believe that government and/or religion should stay out of the womb, every woman should have the choice (and yes, the way Moonshadow  phrased #2 is simply ridiculous).

I guess it would depend on who the football players are praying to Starbucks, if the injured player is a follower of Islam, are his teammates going to pray to Allah?

Praying before a game? lol...only one team can win, so is god frowning on the loosers? Or on the players who get injured despite the praying?

You may think its funny Joty, but praying at football games it is just another tradition that 90% of the people dont have a problem with,but now, because of groups like the ACLU and political correct crowd, the other 10% of people want it stopped, should we roll over to the 10% again?, or maintain some of our countrys traditions?

Starbucks1, spontaneous student prayer is not restricted on school property or during school sponsored events. Don't be a silly willy.

Students can pray before meals in school, and they can gather & pray before & after school (think flag-pole prayer groups.) They can form bible clubs, as long as they adhere to the same regulations as other school clubs. They can pray before they take a test, the only restriction is in teacher-led prayer. They can pray before they get on the bus going & leaving school. They can pray before they leave to attend any sporting event, and they can pray after the event on the way home.

With all that potential praying going on, why do you want to organize more? Just so everyone else can see that you're praying? Doesn't the Bible say something about praying in public?

oohchild, I never said prayer was restricted, I just asked what the opinon was of banning prayer before and during football games, I think all the prayer times you listed here are enough for anyone actually, I brought up the football game topic because it was not mentioned before,  this has been going on for a long time, check out this story from 1999.http://www.cnn.com/US/9911/...