well Trouble is a little mix up but i wouldn't call him a flamer......at least i wouldn't call him one to his face.

Yes, rm6, I was referring to learned behavior regarding sexuality. I don't think I agree that sexuality comes down to being just an urge either. Addictions are urges. I believe each human is born with a sexual predilection firmly in place.

Homicide is not a behavior either. Again, an urge that a lot of us might think about but don't act on.

And Ben, my little female Chihuahua will hump anything...LOL!!!

You make valid points rm6. I agree with you but I would think that if it's a chemical composition issue, they'd have a pill for that. Maybe they do. hmmm time to do some research.

Thanks.

I think Joty means that she doesn't buy into the idea that homosexuality is a learned behavior.

Being male and being white aren't behaviors, but homosexuality isn't either, it is a feeling, an urge. It only becomes a behavior if you act on that urge.

I definitely think that some people are born more inclined to be homocidal, but it's not as simple as that. One might be born with a personality disorder which makes them more inclined to kill.

When it comes down to it, it's the levels of chemicals in our brains that dictate our behavior, so unless you can consicously alter those levels, I don't see any way for our feelings, urges, or the likelyhood of us acting on those urges to be entirely a consequence of conscious choice. Seeing that homo and heterosexuality are feelings or urges, I don't think that being gay is totally a matter of wanting to be that way.

Homosexuality occurs in wild animals? Wow, ya learn somethin new everyday. oO(I gotta watch more Animal Planet).

Joty, I can't define normal. That's why I put it in "quotes" just as you quoted "learned behavior". Now maybe I'm wrong but being male and being white aren't behaviors. I do agree that I was "born straight". But I must ask, how can you not believe in learned behavior? Isn't that one of parents' main roles as parents? To teach their children how to behave in pulic, in school, in church, at family functions, etc? Perhaps "learned sexual preference" or "learned sexual orientation" are better terms. Out of curiosity, do you think that murderers are born murderers? Either way, isn't is saying the same thing?

I can't believe I'm actually enjoying the conversation about this topic.  Enquiring minds I guess.   :)

First Oilfield, define normal...

I don't buy into the "learned behavior". Did you choose to be born male? Did you choose to be white? Did you choose to be straight? Nope, you were born that way.

People who deny their sexuality do it out of fear of societal rejection and too many times familial rejection. What person would choose to have to listen to people just as jim (go read his blog...he's f**in nuts). Something else you might want to think about. Maybe it's just Mother Nature's way of population control. What if everyone on earth were breeders? Oy!

Why can't people just live and let live?

I was in my twenties when I realized gay people are just like you and me. When I think back on all the hateful things my mother (again, because of how she was raised) would say and I would parrot her, it must have been like knives in my brother's heart. He knew from the age of three that he was "different". We hurt him through ignorance, but thankfully, most of my family have taken the time to listen and learn. And you know what's funny? Most people deal with gay people on a day-to-day basis and don't even realize it, lol. And I don't think there is a family that exists that doesn't have at least one gay relative. In my large family, there are several.

Madkow, something tells me Sam is not real current on these issues. He seems to be so intelligent his attitude kinda caught me off guard.