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Freedom of speech/religion
I read and article in the Californian of a teacher in Mission Viejo who is getting sued by a student. It seems the teacher, James Corbett a history or social studies teacher of 19 years, likes to let his students know that he thinks Christians are just plain wrong. He was taped lecturing his students to "take off your Jesus glasses and see the truth". The student got offended and has files a law suit on the teacher for violation of the First amendment to the Constitution. That one says that the state cannot back a religion but neither can it be against a religion. Now put this in the context of the recent turmoil in Kern County Board of Education where a Board member wanted to put up posters quoting the national motto "In God We Trust". There were quite a few people who thought that Board member was promoting Christianity. Now I wonder what those folks would think of Teacher James Corbett in their School System. A teacher does have freedom of speech but in the classroom that speech should not include personal bias. A teacher does influence the future but so does a preacher. I have had atheists for teachers and I disregarded those teachings, those classes were harder for me because I caught myself editing what the teacher was teaching. I would like to hear the views of Liberals (you know who you are - you can't play baseball because youd would have to run to the right). 125 comments from 20 users
posted by
madkow2747
on Dec 19, 2007 at 12:23 PM
uugh, I don't know why I can't always make links work! religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htmThere, maybe that will work. posted by
George
on Dec 19, 2007 at 12:32 PM
Shouting "wolf" will not undermine my credibility. Here is the transcript:
DR. JAMES CORBETT: "How do you get the peasants to oppose something that is in their best interest? Religion. You have to have something that is irrational to counter that rational approach. When you put on your Jesus glasses, you can't see the truth. Conservatives don't want women to avoid pregnancies. That's interfering with God's work. You've got to stay pregnant, barefoot and in the kitchen and have babies until your body collapses." posted by
Colitas
on Dec 19, 2007 at 12:36 PM
This immediately forces any atheist to focus on HIS life George,,,,,Where in the name of whatever do you get this crap at!!! You get on oohchild's case, who I don't agree with all the time so don't start with the banding together crap, but you talk trash. At least she sounds intelligent. I haven't seen her group everyone together and start bashing, unless some ignorant a** pisses her off. Who the hell are you to say atheist don't care about others. My experience "they" seem to be more tolerant of people like you. Wow, you kill me. This is absolutely insane. George, did you know god was added to the pledge....but atheist are wrong. Show me one piece of hard evidence that "your" god exist. Not stories, not folk tales, fact. Not faith, fact. I don't know why I am even addressing you. Merry Christmas, or am I not allowed to say that!!!! posted by
Colitas
on Dec 19, 2007 at 12:37 PM
Sorry, oohchild, I didn't see your response to George or else I wouldn't had repeated some of it. And again you said it much better than I. I get too emotional!!
posted by
Colitas
on Dec 19, 2007 at 12:43 PM
Thank you madkow....I can never find a poll and there are so many of them. It seems you can find a poll that leans towards whatever a person wants. But thank you for showing another side and the actual numbers behind it.
posted by
Colitas
on Dec 19, 2007 at 12:44 PM
BTW George, you sound an awful lot like some others that no longer post,,,ummm.
posted by
George
on Dec 19, 2007 at 12:55 PM
>I really agree with Colitas. I think a lot of people falsely identify themselves as Christian, just to avoid any trouble. A lot of people, particularly in public schools and academia do not admit their beliefs to avoid intimidation, ridicule or simply to be passed for promotion. Whenever public money is involved, left-leaning believers follow, and many of them have such strong anti-religious views that I can only compare them to religious fanatics. Minority views, such as atheism, must be subsidized to survive. It was so in the former Soviet block, and it continues in publicly funded institutions in America. Interestingly, pendulum is swinging the other way. Students in academia happen to be more religious than their teachers who are often leftovers from the sixties. posted by
George
on Dec 19, 2007 at 12:59 PM
>Show me one piece of hard evidence that "your" god exist.
Show me one piece of hard evidence that God doesn't exist. I understand that you get emotional when arguments run out. posted by
TK
on Dec 19, 2007 at 01:20 PM
I have really enjoyed reading this blog. oohchild, you rock!
posted by
George
on Dec 19, 2007 at 01:24 PM
>BTW George, you sound an awful lot like some others that no longer post,,,ummm.
I understand your dreams and I am thrilled! Censorship is characteristic for such "progressive" thinkers as Castro or Lenin. posted by
oohchild
on Dec 19, 2007 at 01:48 PM
*blushes* Thanks, guys, er, gals, ahhh..... folks! I believe George is starting to show his true colors, so I'm thrilled that rational thinking is shining through! George, I appreciate the editing & contortions you had to go through in order to back up your assertion: "I am not surprised that this unfortunate atheist teacher/preacher had to attack Jesus in order to justify abortions" Dr. Corbett appropriately pointed out that people were guided by faith, sometimes against their own best interests, during European history. Do you deny this? Then, in an obvious edit apart from the original discussion, he refers to "conservatives." Now George, do you really believe all conservatives are Christians, or that all Christians are conservatives? He also doesn't refer to abortion at all; he's instead referring to birth control. Something that we can all agree is necessary in order to further reduce abortion rates in our country. I hope you can understand many of us see through the spin. posted by
Colitas
on Dec 19, 2007 at 02:08 PM
Georgie baby boy, you just love putting words in peoples mouths don't cha. I understand that you get emotional when arguments run out. I never said anything about arguments run out now did I. Or is that your god speaking to you! I never said God doesn't exist. I was asking you because you are so good with downing other people's thinking. Why are you answering questions with questions? Doesn't that mean you don't know what you are talking about or that you have nothing to back anything up with. I started this with the so called poll you quoted, I'm sorry you didn't quote s**t did you. Yeah, that's right, madkow went and looked up the info. She just didn't pull some stinky fact out of her behind now did she. Oops, is that a personal attack. Naw, just an opinion. Abortion has nothing to do with atheism. I have yet to see someone holding a protest sign saying "I am an Atheist, I want to kill babies", or "I had an Abortion because I am an Atheist" or "I am an Atheist and I hate all human kind so lets all go and have Abortions." But I have seen many, many so called Christians protest signs that say a lot worse. Hmmm, I wonder what that means. Hey Georgie boy, maybe your little voice can tell me and put some more words in my mouth, what char think? I think I am going to go listen to some Ozzy, AC/DC, Alice Cooper, and Amy Grant. I think I have a lovely Christmas song called "O Come All Ye Faithful sung by Ozzy....it's great. And lets not forget Alice in Chains "Away in a Manger". posted by
George
on Dec 19, 2007 at 02:22 PM
>He also doesn't refer to abortion at all; he's instead referring to birth control. Something that we can all agree is necessary in order >to further reduce abortion rates in our country.
I love your logic and I understand that only "liberals" are invited here and many of you wish I didn't spoil your backscratching. I only modestly wanted to point out that before birth control became rampant in this country, abortions were scarce. Now, over 1 million children lose their lives... Something doesn't add up in my mind. posted by
Colitas
on Dec 19, 2007 at 02:36 PM
Obviously posted by
Colitas
on Dec 19, 2007 at 02:38 PM
I love my logic too. How ever what you quoted I didn't type.
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