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robertcarter - > Robert Carter -> Freedom of speech/religion
Freedom of speech/religion

I read and article in the Californian of a teacher in Mission Viejo who is getting sued by a student.  It seems the teacher, James Corbett a history or social studies teacher of 19 years, likes to let his students know that he thinks Christians are just plain wrong.  He was taped lecturing his students to "take off your Jesus glasses and see the truth".  The student got offended and has files a law suit on the teacher for violation of the First amendment to the Constitution.  That one says that the state cannot back a religion but neither can it be against a religion.

Now put this in the context of the recent turmoil in Kern County Board of Education where a Board member wanted to put up posters quoting the national motto "In God We Trust".  There were quite a few people who thought that Board member was promoting Christianity.   Now I wonder what those folks would think of Teacher James Corbett in their School System.  A teacher does have freedom of speech but in the classroom that speech should not include personal bias.

A teacher does influence the future but so does a preacher.

I have had atheists for teachers and I disregarded those teachings, those classes were harder for me because I caught myself editing what the teacher was teaching.  I would like to hear the views of Liberals (you know who you are - you can't play baseball because youd would have to run to the right).

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posted by George on Dec 20, 2007 at 12:52 PM
>George, stop pushing bad research & twisted science. There are very few studies which back up your assertion (not a fact), and >most studies refute your claim.

Which studies. From the sixties or nineties. Or from the journalist award winning sites? Most new studies, not sponsored by the contraceptive industry are very clear. The risk increase is 24-33%.
posted by George on Dec 20, 2007 at 12:59 PM
>Wow,George! I would just like to say welcome to the blogs. You are an extremely intelligent person and I've really enjoyed >reading your posts so far( I'm still reading some).

I am overwhelmed! It was worth it!!! Merry Christmas!!!  I am going skiing tomorrow and will be out of internet for Christmas.

I may be back in 2008.  Don't be intimidated. Sooner or later some thoughts will penetrate even the most hostile minds.
This is all I can wish for.

George
posted by George on Dec 20, 2007 at 01:07 PM
"The pill remains one of the most effective forms of contraception, and in the long term the small increases in risk for cervical and breast cancers are outweighed by reduced risks for ovarian and womb cancer."

Yes. This is an interpretation which does not mention that ovarian and womb cancers are extremely rare compared to breast cancer.
posted by Starbucks1 on Dec 20, 2007 at 04:33 PM

countygirl, thank you for your kind comments, I know its gets a little heated in here at times, but at the end of the day, I can still say I respect oohchilds view and everyone elses, when it comes to children, I can get extremely defensive, being a father, I know what they can go thru at school, its rough enough at times without any added ridicule from the teacher. Besides, we can't just talk about what restuarant we like all the time!!!,LOL,

Merry Christmas to All

posted by TK on Dec 22, 2007 at 01:57 AM

I read the complaint and if the excerpts from his lectures are acurate then I think Corbett is a wonderful teacher.  I bet the students are engaged and participating in his classes.  The teachers who kept me interested and made me think were the ones who jabbed at my safe little world.  Corbett jabs well.  

http://www.ocregister.com/n...

The fact that a bunch of adults in a town 175 miles away from Capo Valley High are debating his lectures is proof that he is stimulating and engages people to think, to reason, and to formulate arguments.   

posted by George on Dec 22, 2007 at 02:44 PM
>The fact that a bunch of adults in a town 175 miles away from Capo Valley High are debating his lectures is proof that he is >stimulating and engages people to think, to reason, and to formulate arguments.  

Another great teacher in Colorado advised children to experiment with drugs and homosexual sex. One great school board in Oregon wants to give contraception pills to 11-year olds without parental consent. All this stimulates great discussion!
Hitler's anti-semitic "teaching" will be discussed for a long time, as well as Stalin's anti-religious teaching.

I thought that good teaching in High School is about well established ideas and facts. Shaky anti-religious outbursts, implying that Christians cannot think rationally is just an example of primitive prejudice comparable to anti-semitism and racism. It is discussed only because it comes from a teacher who should be as close to objectivity as possible. Public school is not a platform for political rallies or religious/antireligious teaching.
posted by George on Dec 22, 2007 at 03:28 PM
Thank you for the link to allegations. I am shocked how simplistic this guy is when he talks about "correlations" and draws conclusions. He doesn't talk about crime rate OF religious people. He talks about crimes in so called "religious" states. In the same way catholics could argue that there is less crime in the states were catholics are most prominent (so called "blue states" in the North East. There is also low theft rate in many islamic countries where they cut off hands for theft. Does it mean that serious penalties work?

For example, contraception is supposed to limit abortions. Yet, abortion went up since the sixties when massive contraception was introduced in the sixties. So did the divorces. Europe has much lower fraction of young people that America and Southern states are younger in the same sense than the "blue states". Everybody knows that most crimes are committed by young people. However, this fact escaped the mind of this "great" teacher. Encouraging the 11-year olds to sex is a novel idea promoted by TV and secular progressives. Yet, millenia of knowledge reflected in most religions tell us that encouraging young people to sex is to their detriment.  Nevertheless, this is the best way to shed "religious superstitions".  For every idiotic rules imposed on majority, there always examples that there are good for some time. There are teenage mothers, so let's have abortions for all. There is sexual activity among some minors, let's give condoms and contraceptive pills to every child. There are drug addicts, let's distribute free needles. There are people who suffer pain, let's legalize "medical" mariujana. Not in pills (available by prescription), let's them smoke. It is more fun. I am afraid that this kind of thinking continues to be spread among our children in public schools. It is your tax money at work!
posted by madkow2747 on Dec 22, 2007 at 04:29 PM
I read through the excerpts and I cannot for anything figure out what is so offensive about them!  He seems like a great teacher!  He's stating well-thought-out opinions, very eloquently, and I think it's incredibly admirable that he's talking about controversial subjects with his students!  I'd love to sit in on a class myself!
posted by TK on Dec 22, 2007 at 11:59 PM

George, I don't recall close to 100 blog comments on the story about the teacher in Colorado.  I don't even remember that story.  Nor do I recall such a lively online discussion here about the Oregon school board decision.  If you can find it for me that would be great.  High school is fast becoming a drumbeat of facts and figures as we force 'teaching to the test', but it has been and should be so much more.  High school is a time to explore the world in safety.  Students should be encouraged to think about different thoughts, different norms, different realities.  High school is full of people who will soon be entering our society as adults.  They will dispurse to a myriad of roles.  I hope a few of them will be able to do more than regurgitate facts.  I hope a few of them will be able to think. 

No one has any statistics on the number of abortions prior to the 1960's because the procedure was illegal.  To compare abortion statistics to the introduction of contraception without factoring in the legalization of abortion is a specious argument.  The way to validate a causation between contraceptive availabilty and abortions is to compare two societies.  Both must have equal access to abortion.  One society would have access to contraception and the other society would not.  Then compare the rates of abortion between the two societies.  As an amateur observer of human nature, I would expect to see higher rates of abortion in the no-contraceptives society. 

Teaching children about sexual safety is encouraging them to have sex as much as teaching firearm safety encourages them to shoot someone.  I have had conversations about this subject with parents from other (Euro) countries.  In places where the students are given instruction and real facts, the age when they start having sex is much later (than here) and the rates of pregnancy and STD's are lower too.  The Center for Disease Control keeps statistics if you'd like to check it out. 

Starbucks, I don't think the teacher was ridiculing the students.  I think he was pointing out how the masses can be manipulated.  (One of his students wrote on this blog about 92 comments back and said nearly the same thing.)  He was saying that by invoking the peoples' faith, monarchs and other powerful leaders can have the masses willingly do things that are against their own best interests.   I think he was basing his remarks on Nietzsche's philosophies. 

posted by oohchild on Dec 24, 2007 at 02:28 PM
Thanks for making my day, TK. Have a very Merry Christmas!

*Rockin' around the Xmas tree...*
posted by George on Dec 25, 2007 at 01:14 PM
LInk to "Colorado High event:"

http://www.wnd.com/news/art...

And on Oregon (from "leftistmoon")

http://leftistmoon.wordpres...
 
and Fox News:

http://www.foxnews.com/stor...

On abortions: there are ways to asses the number of illegal abortions prior to contraception. There were in tens of thousands per year. Nothing close to over 1.2 million now.  I don't even mention the rapid aging of Europe since the sixties. This is a taboo. The only solutions they have is to import more Northern Africans who bring a lot of wives and children.  The problem is: how to assimilate them.

And about other issues: Giving a weapon, pill or condom to a child is equally irresponsible.
It doesn't protect them against anything, it vulgarizes sex and puts interests of an immature person
into something they cannot handle easily.  Equally idiotic would be to ask mature men and women to give children practical instructions. Some even try that. There were at least 10 female teachers arrested last year for sex with minors. Giving minor a pill or condom is irresponsible unless it is accompanied by a school-approved list of experienced, disease-free, mature partners. Do you see the idiocy???



posted by oohchild on Dec 26, 2007 at 08:17 AM

Study after study has shown that abstinence-only sex education just doesn't work, period. In addition, teen pregnancy & teen abortion rates drop when comprehensive sex education is provided at the appropriate age.

Can't get around those facts, no matter how much you deny them & try to demonize contraception. "Just Say No" didn't work for drugs, & it doesn't work for teenage sex.

posted by George on Dec 26, 2007 at 03:17 PM
>Study after study has shown that abstinence-only sex education just doesn't work, period.

Yes it doesn't work for a fraction of children in the culture where almost every movie feeds children with explicit sex, in the culture where sex has nothing to do with procreation and responsibility for human life. Yet, only a small minority of children follow the message, that once they have condoms and contraceptive pills they can do what "they would do anyway".  For obvious reasons sex "educators" do not teach values. Planned parenthood often sounds like Homeland Security "do it for your protection". To protect  against whom?. This issue is mysteriously overlooked by the "protectors". If they really want to "protect" children according to their strategy, they should have and approved list of "sex workers" for children. It is a logical next step isn't it?. If some children "will do it anyway" let's protect other children from the sexually active minority, even it the interests of the minority are promoted out of proportion by sex activists. I still suspect that the only reason why sexual activists care so much about bringing majority of children up to the sexual sub-standards set by the margins, is to take away parental influence and push children into "progressive" self-destruction.
posted by Joty on Dec 26, 2007 at 03:43 PM

"To protect  against whom?. "

Not from whom, but from what - STD's and unwanted teenage pregancies!

"...parental influence..." Sadly George, too many parents are afraid or too busy to influence their children. Perfect example is the little Spears girl. Thank god there are other resources available for kids.

You stated in an earlier post that you are leaning toward Catholism...is that influencing your opinions regarding this?

posted by George on Dec 26, 2007 at 05:29 PM
>You stated in an earlier post that you are leaning toward Catholism..

What is catholism? If  you mean Catholicism, I think they have pretty healthy sexual education in catholic schools. This is why many non-catholic parents send their children to catholic schools. At least, they have some confidence that they will be taught values and attitudes guided by millenia of accumulated wisdom rather than spreading pathological behavior rooted in the so called "sexual revolution" fueled by  contraceptive  culture.  It is true that some parents don't talk about sex with children which gives large access to public schools by the abortion/contraception industry, and there is absolutely no counterbalance to instrumental presentation of sex and human life. Any "abstinence program" is meaningless if it is separated from deeper philosophical and religious traditions. The schools have standard excuse: "we do not teach values", and religious values are excluded. I believe the only way to improve our schools is to privatize them so they could teach values in addition to mechanistic presentation of sex.
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