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samheath - > The Weedpatch Gazette -> School violence: What is to be done?
School violence: What is to be done?

The extremes to which schools are going in attempts to prevent violence are truly beyond comprehension. But given the extremes of political correctness emasculating teachers, police and others you no longer dare touch a child or even speak to them in any manner that might be fodder for what most agree are the lowest of bottom feeders in America, the lawyers that pounce on anyone for anything. However, the degree of violence which children are exposed to on TV, in films and “games,” it is little wonder adults are genuinely concerned when “hit lists” are found in a school and drawings depicting violence against other children are taken seriously.

For those old enough to remember it most of us kids, the boys as least, while in elementary school during WWII were fond of drawing pictures of American planes, ships, and tanks destroying Japanese and German planes, ships, and tanks. What I do not recall is drawing pictures of people attacking and killing other people. It’s as though we were far more interested in drawing pictures of planes, ships, and tanks. And the better artists among us would use a ruler to draw lines of withering fire converging on enemy planes for example and having them explode. But we were involved in a world war and even our teachers encouraged such drawings.

The toy stores of the time had many “weapons of violence.” You could buy a toy ship that when hit just right by the fire of another would “explode” by a spring mechanism. Then you put it together again for another shot; real fun. You could buy spring-operated small toy machine guns that fired wood bullets or those where you wound up a spring to fire sparks by an abrasive wheel when you pulled the trigger. Those were fun. And, of course, there were the ubiquitous slingshots and other items of mayhem to keep children amused. Many of us found using a rubber band around our fingers could fire paperclips or bobby pins with precision. It wasn’t just the BB guns obviously intended to put out the eyes of children with which parents had to be concerned.

But to my knowledge, I am the only boy who ever fired a razor blade out of a slingshot. I will never know what demon planted the idea in my mind, but once there it compelled me to try this dangerous experiment in potentially bloodletting mayhem.

I was a grandmaster of the art at making slingshots, and the one I was to use was one of the best I had ever made; the beautifully carved handle and utilizing rubber from an innertube and a very fine leather pouch was ideal to my macabre purpose. I had used it with telling effect with a variety of projectiles on a number of targets and had great confidence in it and my ability to use it. But when it came to shooting a razor blade from it, this was completely uncharted territory.

Why I chose a double-edged razor blade I will never know. Why not a single-edged blade; a question as inexplicable as why I was going to do such an obviously insane thing to begin with? Going into the backyard I inserted the blade in the pouch of the slingshot, and taking aim at the back fence pulled back and prepared to let fly not knowing if the razor blade would slice my hand, fly back in my face or what? Taking a breath and ignoring the unsettling questions I let go. Zing! Thunk! The blade buried itself in the fence. It was only then with utterly dumbfounded amazement I realized what I had actually done! Here was a weapon of incredible potential for doing great harm to someone!

Folks, parents have every right to live in fear for their children. You just never know what may happen to them in today’s violent environment, and there are the monsters out there in human guise preying on children. That would seem to be enough for parents to worry about; however, as though the gods intended to punish people for having children you never know what is going on in their minds; you may be “blessed” with a child that is driven by the kind of inventive curiosity they might try firing a razor blade out of a slingshot.

But here is the “then and now” part of the story. Realizing the great potential of such a weapon for doing great bodily harm to someone, quite naturally I did not disclose my discovery to any of the adult guidance units surrounding me, but neither did I ever mention doing this to any of the other children I knew. What happened to the usually appropriate “bragging rights” most children enjoy among their peers? For some curious reason I have never been able to determine, my lips regarding this event remained sealed. Had the blade sliced my hand or boomeranged into my face and put out an eye that would have been difficult to hide. Then it would have been a simple matter of “What possessed you boy to do such a stupid thing!”

Ah, but the experiment had been an astounding success. In pondering the question over the years past I concluded the reason for my not mentioning this to other children was my fear one of them might actually use this weapon against another child. It wasn’t difficult for me to imagine the kind of guilt I would carry over such a thing. To my credit, I did have that kind of sensitive conscience. But I believe this was the result of the kind of people and society that encouraged such a conscience in me. Children no longer have that advantage.

It isn’t that I am unique among people with a sensitive conscience, but the experiment with my slingshot stayed with me; I didn’t share it. The more “successful” of lethal weapons like machine guns, assorted bombs including nuclear, well, they were not prevented by inventors with that kind of sensitive conscience. Once these ideas began to insinuate themselves into the minds of inventors and scientists and made “successful,” in no time at all everyone had to have them.

Unfortunately for our species and our planet, once inventors and scientists have opened the box there is no going back from what has been unleashed in the way of destruction, especially on a massive scale. Certainly nuclear energy held great promise for peaceful use, but it didn’t turn out that way. And children today are making hit lists and drawing pictures of killing other children; and the adults are wringing their hands exclaiming “What is to be done!”

The problem is historical, and nations invariably pay the price for not having leaders more concerned for children, the future of all nations, than they are with power and wealth. Such corrupt leaders always lead nations in the path of “What is to be done!” And there is little point in multiplying laws concerning parents and teachers about school violence for example when America lacks leaders genuinely concerned for the future of our children. But it won’t do for America to try to shoulder the problem in isolation from other nations that are cursed with the very kind of leadership that prevents cooperation in solving problems of truly global implications, nations that are cursed with the kind of leaders more concerned for wealth and power than their own children.

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posted by samheath on Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 12:21 PM
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posted by bigdog on Nov 20, 2007 at 09:17 AM
Give the teachers back the paddles to whoop their asses. That keeped me in line when i was in school.
posted by Joty on Nov 20, 2007 at 09:02 AM

Boy times have changed. When I was a kid, I was more petrified of what my parents would do when I got home then what the principal would do. lol, I sound like a grandma - oh wait, I am a grandma.

Madkow is exactly right. Give control back to the teachers. Give it back to them without the fear of the little hoodlums making false charges against them and loosing their job.

posted by olivia on Nov 20, 2007 at 06:08 AM

When my daughter was in High School, she was teased relentlessly.  She wasn't part of the "in crowd".  Her father was a piece of work who were buddies with some of the not so great crowd in High School.  I guess he was buying booze for some of them and I'm sure smoking pot with them.  Some of them would make remarks to her about her dad.  They thinking he was cool.  Her being humiliated.  She had gum put in her hair, comments made to her that were inappropriate.  She's my girl, she always fought back by smacking some guy in the back of the head, or kicking someones backpack across the room.  I finally stepped in and took it to the principal.  His comment was, "well, there isn't a whole lot we can do about these kinds of situations".  So, I did, I pulled her out of Tehachapi High School, where they think more of their football team than the rights of other students. I put her in Monroe.  She graduated early, I never had any problems with her coming home complaining about other students, and she's been working the same job and moving up since she was 17 years old.

I've always told my kids that if I ever hear of them picking on someone, disrupting the class, acting out on the school bus, I would gladly accompany them and sit right next to them to smack them in the back in the head in front of everyone.  Apparently it worked.  Since they've been old enough to know what "be quiet" means. I enforced it.  Several times we left abruptly from the grocery store, restaurant or other public place.  Of course, they are loud mouth heathens at home.....however, if they are ever in public, I can be pretty confident they are going to behave.

posted by madkow2747 on Nov 19, 2007 at 10:54 AM
Well, I grew up with very religious parents.  We were taught to turn the other cheek if someone insulted us.  No fights, no problems.  (But I am a girl, we'll see how well that policy works with my son...)
posted by madkow2747 on Nov 19, 2007 at 10:51 AM
My friend in high school missed about a month of school, because there was no parent home to enforce her attendance.  That all changed once the police threatened to put her mom in jail for not making sure her daughter went to school.  But really, her mom should have been on it in the first place- it's not like the school doesn't call when a student misses school. 

The school called my mom once ant told her that I had ditched (which I hadn't... what can I say?  I sat behind a very large boy and I had put my head down on the desk because it was hot... the TA didn't even see me).  Anyway, I was grounded and my mom made damn sure that I was in class after that.  I was annoyed that she took the school's word over mine, but there was no harm done from a little grounding, and I never ditched for the entire time I was in school because I knew she wouldn't let me off so easy after that.
posted by TK on Nov 19, 2007 at 10:49 AM
I taught my son to never start a fight, but if anyone laid a hand on him he was to put the other person on the floor and walk away.  When he was attacked in a classroom at Jacobsen he did exactly as I'd instructed.  The Vice Principal at the time told me his suspension would have been less if he'd waited until they'd left the classroom to hit his attacker.  I looked at the VP and said "You just described the difference between justified manslaughter and murder one, and you're advocating murder one!".  When my son and I left the school I drove straight over to Baskin Robbins and said he could pick his sundae.  The other kid never touched him again.  Yes, the older they get the more violent they become, but if the problem children are dealt with at an early age they won't be bringing the weapons to school.  And I do not advocate an adult striking a child.  The meanest bullies are usually the ones with the greatest corporal punishment at home.  I know that will bring on a slew of comments such as 'My parents spanked me and I'm perfect now, I spank my kids too and they're all perfect'.  I'm commenting on what I've observed and I'm not bad-mouthing your parents.
posted by eekitsaspider on Nov 19, 2007 at 10:41 AM

Madcow's idea of parent involvement hit the nail on the head. Parents need to stop being their children's friend and start being parents. Honestly there are parents out there that allow their children to walk all over them and these children get away with everything. I have a family member that has 2 children and those two kid's are the boss of their parents, they tell the parents what to do and how to do it. The oldest child is in middle school and has been having some serious issues about getting to school on time or to school and his parents reaction was like oh well, there is nothing we can do about it. Just seems like a diffrent world than what I grew up in.

posted by madkow2747 on Nov 19, 2007 at 10:26 AM
1) Allow the teachers to regain authority in their classrooms.  The best teachers wouldn't allow students to disrupt class; they would immediately call security to pick errant students up and take them to detention.  Teachers have the right to demand attention from their students (as long as the students are old enough to give attention- i.e. not in a low grade where children haven't yet developed much of an attention span).

2) Demand parental involvement.  Demand that parents parent their children.  Take parenting responsibility away from the school so that the school can teach.

3) Watch security camera footage to determine who started fights.  Whomever made contact first should be most severely punished.  If the fight happens off school grounds, it is the parents' responsibility, not the school's.

4) Use expulsion more often to weed out children that threaten the safety of other students.  Taking select instigators out of the schools would dramatically reduce school violence.  (And get rid of zero-tolerance!  Allow administrators to use their discretion, as long as there is a process that allows for appeals.  Allow campus security and police to take necessary actions to investigate students and to stop fights when they occur- especially in jr. high and high school.)

I agree that children need to learn to work things out between each other, especially when they are young and learning to interact with other children.  But when they grow older, the threat of bodily injury from these fights is much greater.  It isn't uncommon for students to bring knives to school.  And, as we see through media, unfortunately they sometimes bring guns to school- in which case, meeting for a fight to defend themselves can result in a whole lot more than a few bruises.  It's disturbing walking through a puddle of blood in the middle of the main quad.  It's frustrating to have lunches and breaks cut short everyday.  The level of rage and violence in school fights is frightening, and it spreads out among the students like a sickness.  Taking students that fight out of school is a necessary precaution these days.
posted by Colitas on Nov 19, 2007 at 07:37 AM
I too have taught my son that he can defend himself.  I also have taught him that there are consequence for his actions even though sometimes it isn't fair.  But there is always a consequence, sometimes good sometimes bad.  But my son normally uses his mouth, he always has.  In fact he will go into a 10 min speech on why something isn't right and give examples or why something is right, etc.  Normally, kids just get tired of listening and walks away.  Even his friends get annoyed...lol.  But if nothing else works he will defend himself physically.  In fact I had a problem with a friend of mine on time.  He was wrestling with son, playing around and so on.  Well my friend, an adult, got my son to point where he couldn't get out of.  My son ask him to stop that he was done playing and the adult kept laughing and continuing.  Well my son switch to defend mode and whooped his a**.  I forget exactly what he did, because frankly I don't care, but I think he punched him in the gut and pulled his fingers back and then flipped his feet upward and clocked my friend in the head.  As my friend's grip was loosening, my son started to go after his groin.  Luckily my moved in time and didn't get hit there.  But he started yelling at my son and telling him he can't do that to adults, that it isn't good to hit adults.  Well, at this "mamma bear" stepped in and I said "if you are going to act like a kid and fight with him, you can not pull the adult card out when you loose.  You bigger and stronger than him and you had him pinned and wouldn't stop so he defended himself.  I taught to do that, and you are the one who is wrong not him.  If you can't be an adult and stop when he ask or take it like a man, then don't play with my son anymore."  Well, needless to say I got a look that would kill from him.  It didn't hurt our friendship, but took a few times to get across.  My friend would sneak up behind him and jab him or tickle him or pick him him up and start rough housing.  But when my son would do it he started that whole "you can't walk up to adults and hit them" thing again.  So again I told him that if you don't want him to do that to you then don't do it to him.  He is only a child and is learning this from him.  My son doesn't do it to everyone just the ones that do it him.   But like I said before he will try to talk his way out of ANYTHING first.
posted by bigdog on Nov 19, 2007 at 06:49 AM

A friend of mines daughter was recently suspend from school and is awaiting a expulsion hearing from 7Th grade because she defended herself. A couple of girls where giving her a hard time and threatening her. her dad told her that she could defend herself if she was attracted. One day after school there was confrontation and one of the girls hit my Friends daughter, she fought back and because she put a good whooping on the girl that attracted her she is now facing expulsion while the attacker only got suspended for a few days. So if you fight back don't leave any marks because they consider that excessive. And the two girls that attracted her where wanna be gang members. I have seen before kids being picked on and bullied while the teachers do little or nothing about it but once the kid being bullied finally fights back its the kid that's being bullied that gets into trouble. When i went to school and you where out of line they sent us to the principals office and we got out butts whooped with a big a** paddle. A Good teacher has control of her/his classroom. My favorite teachers where the ones that didn't take no crap and keep the classroom safe for all kids. They where real teachers that cared.  My kids have had some real good teachers and there are some that don't care anymore.

posted by olivia on Nov 19, 2007 at 06:16 AM

TK, I agree completely with you.  The 0 tolerance has been taken to a level of extreme.  (imagine that).  Boys are not allowed to be boys.  Now days, they are considered ADD, ADHD or whatever new diagnosis there are out there.  My son is having problems right now at Jacobsen with two boys that he calls gang wannabes.  They keep calling him out to fight.  He says he goes out to meet them and they don't show.  He isn't afraid.  But I've had to warn him to try to ignore them.  I've told him if the time comes and he has to defend himself, he should.  I'll deal with the school when it happens.  He's a rough boy, he goes out on the play yard or whatever it's called these days and he rough houses with his friends.  He's never been suspended or expelled, but he's had trips to the principals office plenty for it.  I've never appreciated a tattletale myself, I didin't allow it from my kids. I told them unless your brother/sister is doing something dangerous, I don't want to hear about it.  The one who did the tattling was usually one who got it trouble. 

posted by TK on Nov 18, 2007 at 10:27 PM
Legislators and courts have required schools to be as responsible for the children as the parents, sometimes even more so.  Schools have responded by attempting to control the normal behaviors of the students because those behaviors are not tolerated by society any longer.  The attempts to deal with bullies would be laughable if the consequences weren't so tragic.  I can remember dealing with bullies on the playground (back in the ages before color TV).  It usually involved a well-timed punch.  The child who would stand up to a bully, especially to protect a weaker child, was considered to be a child of good character.  Now that child is suspended under "zero tolerance".  Children are not learning how to deal with each other.  They are not allowed to solve a situation of teasing or name-calling on their own, instead they are taught to seek out an adult .  When I was a child that was called being a tattletale and adults did not appreciate it.   Only sissies went running to an adult.  Now, children are expected to be tattletales and sissies or suffer the consequences. 
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