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Primary fever
It turns out that I have election fever. I have slowly de-evolved to the point where, in my off time, I am almost exclusively watching politics.
On Saturday I watched the debates on ABC. All four hours of them. Then on Sunday I sat down for the Republican forum on Fox. As a matter of fact, I think I've only missed one televised debate so far this season. I watch CNN, Fox, MSNBC and CSPAN. You'd think I had a relative in the race. It's exciting. The more you listen, the more you realize exactly how big an impact the nominee has on your life. My DH and I have already agreed on sandwiches for dinner tonight so we can watch the New Hampshire primary results. Anyone else out there have the fever? 50 comments from 13 users
posted by
weebles
on Jan 9, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Man, I stepped away to get some work done and look what happened :o)For the record, I don't dislike Hillary. I find her a strong and capable woman. But I won't vote for her unless I have to. Why? Because I don't think that having just two families in power for over 20+ years is good for the country as a whole. That's it. No rhetoric, no dogma. I just don't think it's right. Of course, my guy stands no shot of getting elected. In the primary, I will be throwing my support towards Edwards. Just about every ill we currently have as a society can be traced back to the fact that there are giant corporations that own almost everything we see, hear and read. Loss of jobs? Check. Quality of goods? Check. Medical care? Check. Cost of utilities? Check. A tiny percentage of the American population have nearly all of the wealth and the overwhelming majority of us are struggling to get by. And we're told by these corporations that it's our fault. Or worse yet, the ubiquitous their fault, whoever they are. And in the meantime, these same companies prey on the fears of Americans by drumming up scenario after scenario designed to cause division and angst among us, the citizens of this country, so they can continue robbing us blind while we fight amongst ourselves over some of least important things in the world. Just the way the billionaires want it. My guy's not going to win, but I'm giving him my vote for having the courage to try. posted by
Starbucks1
on Jan 9, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Vader, you appear to fall into the catagory of one who is in denial of facts about Hillary, so, if you choose not to believe all the facts about her, why should I go further with discussing her with you?
posted by
Vader
on Jan 9, 2008 at 01:34 PM
Starbucks you haven't discussed anything. You're copying and pasting other people's words. Most of that "investigative" reporting has turned up NOTHING! Hillary is guilty of NOTHING! After all that was said and done in regards to BILL Clinton's administration NOTHING HAPPENED! And that was after an extensive investigation by an INDEPENDENT COUNCIL WITH REPUBLICAN TIES! I want to have a discussion with someone who can articulate a genuine criticism of HilLary Clinton in their own words. What I'm finding is your typical rhetoric from a person that doesn't appear to have the ability to form their own opinion.
posted by
Vader
on Jan 9, 2008 at 01:43 PM
I'll help Starbucks. I don't believe Hillary Clinton is the best candidate because her style of politcs is getting us no where. She's a very polarizing figure and we need a President who is going to unite the people. A person that can help Americans realize that they agree on 80% of the issues. Hillary tends to say what people want hear and she's very shrewd. With that in mind I'm not sure she has the credibility to persuade those that disagree with her to come to a compromise. There Starbucks, I got you started. Let's see if you can come up with something.
posted by
Joty
on Jan 9, 2008 at 03:05 PM
lol Vader, you said it much better than I could. Starbucks will not answer questions or debate.
posted by
Starbucks1
on Jan 9, 2008 at 03:39 PM
Sure I will Joty, with people who are not in denial of facts, why should I waste my time with them? address all the corruption I listed already, then I will respond,,,,
posted by
weebles
on Jan 9, 2008 at 03:43 PM
O.K., folks, separate corners. I'm looking for discussions, not fights :o)Sounds like a few of you follow politics pretty regularly. Where do you get your news? I've mentioned a few of mine; MSNBC, Fox, CNN, CSPAN. I also read a bunch of web sites, like the BBC News site and OneWorld.net to get more of a global perspective on our process. Where do you find the facts that form your opinion? posted by
gube
on Jan 9, 2008 at 03:49 PM
Madkow why do you despise McCain and Edwards?
posted by
Vader
on Jan 9, 2008 at 03:52 PM
I'll address the corruption that was posted by someone else and you cut and pasted Starbucks. What was listed has NOTHING to do with Hillary Clinton's candidacy for president. What you listed has to do with BILL CLINTONS administration. Who are individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton Machine? What are the crimes they plead guilty to? Who fled the country and pleaded the 5th amendment? And to what charges were they being indicted of? Did Hillary plead guilty to anything on this list? No. What does Al Gore’s fundraising or Clinton/Gore fundraising have to do with Hillary Clinton? None of this is substantial information that indicates that Hillary Clinton can not be a good candidate for president. posted by
Vader
on Jan 9, 2008 at 04:04 PM
I'm here for a discussion Weebles, unfortunatly an anti-Hillary poster is incapable of discussing anything substantial. I get my information by various sources. Television news sources (MSNBC, Fox News, CNN, ABC, CBS), newspapers, VALID websites, radio (NPR, KFI), Friends, Family, Books, Magazines, (Time, Newsweek, Rollingstone). Worked for a number of LA radio stations. Makes a living on Marketing and Media research. Plus I went to college, studied Communication. Studied how the Media Machine gathers and distributes information. Who owns different media outlets. Studied the art of persusion, debate, propadanda, marketing and rhetoric. Also took coarses in Polictical Science and Religious studies so I could develope my own opinions and make sense of all of the messages we receive on a daily basis.
posted by
madkow2747
on Jan 9, 2008 at 04:32 PM
Gube- they just look and act like creeps :) I don't know, bad vibes, a general sense of hypocrisy and untrustworthiness, something along those lines. Plus I really don't like what either has to say. And I hate that everyone says that Edwards is handsome because I think he's hideous (ooh, low blow!). The only thing I think is interesting about McCain is his military record.When I watch news on TV I usually watch either BBC, CNN, or some French news program (it has subtitles!). As I mentioned in a previous post, I am sometimes forced to watch FOX News, and I cringe then entire time unless it's Cavuto, who I don't mind listening to. I read from LiveScience sometimes too. I like health news a lot for some reason. Kinda weird. Vader- I was an HComm in college too :) posted by
gube
on Jan 9, 2008 at 04:51 PM
Madkow thanks for answering my question. Bad vibes and act like a creep is something that i understand, A while back i and a co worker was having a discussion about Bush. I told him that when Bush would smile and hold up his thumb as he squinted at the TV camera i felt that Bush was lieing. My Friend was surprised because he thought when Bush did all that smiling and squinting stuff that Bush was being sincere lol. It's funny how two people can sometimes see two different things.
posted by
Starbucks1
on Jan 10, 2008 at 06:48 AM
Vader, I'll try to break it down for you, I am in agreement with all the other people here who don't like Hillary for all the reasons they listed, such as weebles said, I don't like just two families in power for so long, and other people said, I don't trust her, I think shes fake and a liar. but , I also believe all the Facts written about her in many books and the many people who have been around her for years who tell what she is really like, not the warm caring person they are trying to create in the media now. Hillary claims she is running on her experience and her record, well, part of that record is alot of corruption. it's part of her, and if people are in denial of that, then they are only lying to themselves. I choose to believe the truth.so, lets give somebody else a chance at the White house and see how they do.
posted by
Sparks
on Jan 10, 2008 at 07:23 AM
I have to vote on the issues that are important to me, national health care, the war in Iraq, our national debt, budget, and the over powering bigotry coming from the Republican side. I have no choice but to vote for a Democrat because of these issues. And, if the truth be known, Hillary is bringing Bill with her, and he can get us back into the black, he has gotten out of the red before. Hillary has always wanted health care for everyone.. meaning mostly the middle class who are the only ones actually suffering today. I don't care about baggage, I want the issues I care about dealt with. Therefore Hillary is the best choice I can make since my boy Edwards doesn't stand a chance.
posted by
Starbucks1
on Jan 10, 2008 at 08:03 AM
I can't vote for someone who I feel lacks integrity and who cannot unite this country, Hillary is too polarizing a figure, over half the country will not vote for her. she is a divider, and we don't need that, also, news flash, Kerry is supporting Obama, ouch, that's gotta hurt, http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/...
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