http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009 Can someone please explain to me why it is ok to execute a murderer on death row but it's not ok to kill a unborn baby.  Shouldn't pro life mean pro life ?..I support the women decision. I do not believe that a man should tell a female what she can do and what she can't do with her body. And I do not believe in the death penalty. We as a society say that killing is wrong , And then what do we do. We kill. How many pro life people believe in the death penalty. Whats the difference in killing a unborn baby or a person convicted of murder.  Can someone please explain to me why it is ok to execute a murderer on death row but it's not ok to kill a unborn baby.  Shouldn't pro life mean pro life ?..I support the women decision. I do not believe that a man should tell a female what she can do and what she can't do with her body. And I do not believe in the death penalty. We as a society say that killing is wrong , And then what do we do. We kill. How many pro life people believe in the death penalty. Whats the difference in killing a unborn baby or a person convicted of murder.  en-us anonymous are you a pro lifer and if you are do you believe in the death penalty ? ..........  I don't support abortion, I support the women's right to chose...............  how can you say that you  are pro life and support the death penalty .... http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_141833 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_141833 anonymous are you a pro lifer and if you are do you believe in the death penalty ? ..........  I don't support abortion, I support the women's right to chose...............  how can you say that you  are pro life and support the death penalty .... I think it's ironic that there are pro-life/pro-death penalty people out there...isn't that kind of hypocritical, like when an anti-abortionist blows up a clinic? An unborn baby isn't an innocent child, it is a parasite until it is born. We may say that killing is wrong and that human lives are precious, but that certainly isn't what we practice. When I see mass murder (aka war) over beliefs or money or whatever and people dying for whatever their government tells them to, I see that what we REALLY mean is that human lives are expendable in nearly all circumstances.   http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_141835 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_141835 I think it's ironic that there are pro-life/pro-death penalty people out there...isn't that kind of hypocritical, like when an anti-abortionist blows up a clinic? An unborn baby isn't an innocent child, it is a parasite until it is born. We may say that killing is wrong and that human lives are precious, but that certainly isn't what we practice. When I see mass murder (aka war) over beliefs or money or whatever and people dying for whatever their government tells them to, I see that what we REALLY mean is that human lives are expendable in nearly all circumstances.   I too believe in pro-choice and the death penalty.  I just wish if a person has been found guilty and punished to death, and have the right to appeal, there should be a time limit.  There case should be looked over for any gross negligence and if found a valid conviction, they should up hold that within a year.  I know personally the problems of having a death row for years and years.  And of course some of the laws on the books need to be changed.  Sometimes your hands are tied in what to do.  I believe murder constitutes the death penalty.  Not so much homicide.  Again, it depends on the states definitions and so forth.  http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_141851 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_141851 I too believe in pro-choice and the death penalty.  I just wish if a person has been found guilty and punished to death, and have the right to appeal, there should be a time limit.  There case should be looked over for any gross negligence and if found a valid conviction, they should up hold that within a year.  I know personally the problems of having a death row for years and years.  And of course some of the laws on the books need to be changed.  Sometimes your hands are tied in what to do.  I believe murder constitutes the death penalty.  Not so much homicide.  Again, it depends on the states definitions and so forth.  Being a man i find it hard to tell a girl what or what she can't do with her body. I don't like abortion but I also don't like telling a girl that she can not have a abortion, or that she has to have one. To me its a girl topic. and I leave it at that. As far as the death penalty I'm not for it. Idon't think it is used fairly. and it is not a deterrent. most death row inmates are poor. and many had  bad lawyers.  Other then Scott Peterson name some other well off murderers that got the chair. Lock them in their cells 23 hours a day. take away the tv's.let them spend the rest of their lifes sitting in that little cell thinking about what they did. Killing them is giving them a out. Once there dead there dead. Keep them alive,fed them and that's it.Could you imagine living the rest of your life in 9 by 6 cell with no tv or reading materials. just you and yourself to talk to. http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_141872 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_141872 Being a man i find it hard to tell a girl what or what she can't do with her body. I don't like abortion but I also don't like telling a girl that she can not have a abortion, or that she has to have one. To me its a girl topic. and I leave it at that. As far as the death penalty I'm not for it. Idon't think it is used fairly. and it is not a deterrent. most death row inmates are poor. and many had  bad lawyers.  Other then Scott Peterson name some other well off murderers that got the chair. Lock them in their cells 23 hours a day. take away the tv's.let them spend the rest of their lifes sitting in that little cell thinking about what they did. Killing them is giving them a out. Once there dead there dead. Keep them alive,fed them and that's it.Could you imagine living the rest of your life in 9 by 6 cell with no tv or reading materials. just you and yourself to talk to. You can't kill something that is not alive.  So yes there is a difference from killing the born and killing the unborn.   The problem bigdog is they do get reading materials, tv, etc.  If all they could do is eat, crap and look at the walls, my views might change. http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_141882 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_141882 You can't kill something that is not alive.  So yes there is a difference from killing the born and killing the unborn.   The problem bigdog is they do get reading materials, tv, etc.  If all they could do is eat, crap and look at the walls, my views might change. I'm pro-life (to use the typical label) and pro-death penalty.  I'm not interested in criminalizing abortion, but I think it is morally wrong.  I am a mother, so I admit that I look at it through a mother's eyes.  When I found out that I was pregnant, my child became my main responsibility.  I was obligated to care for my body in order to nurture the life of another who was dependent on me.  So you see the major point (or flaw) in my argument: I saw my child as a child from the moment I knew he existed (which I knew even before I tested for pregnancy).  I'm pro-death penalty for a somewhat selfish reason, really.  I like vengeance when someone (IMO) "deserves" it.  If someone, say, kills a child, brutally, violently, horribly, then I say kill them back :)  (perhaps an inappropriate usage of the smiley, hehe)  I certainly believe that the proof has to be incontrovertible; otherwise let them exhaust their appeals and rot in prison.  I know it's not a crime deterrent.  I know it's more expensive to put someone to death than keep them in prison for life.  But I think it's within the rights of the people to execute a person who is evil enough to commit the most evil crimes. All life is precious, but our decisions make us into the people we are.  Unborn babies have not made decisions- they are innocent.  Murderers have taken the lives of others- they have no innocence or any claim to their own lives.  Just my two cents... http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_141884 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_141884 I'm pro-life (to use the typical label) and pro-death penalty.  I'm not interested in criminalizing abortion, but I think it is morally wrong.  I am a mother, so I admit that I look at it through a mother's eyes.  When I found out that I was pregnant, my child became my main responsibility.  I was obligated to care for my body in order to nurture the life of another who was dependent on me.  So you see the major point (or flaw) in my argument: I saw my child as a child from the moment I knew he existed (which I knew even before I tested for pregnancy).  I'm pro-death penalty for a somewhat selfish reason, really.  I like vengeance when someone (IMO) "deserves" it.  If someone, say, kills a child, brutally, violently, horribly, then I say kill them back :)  (perhaps an inappropriate usage of the smiley, hehe)  I certainly believe that the proof has to be incontrovertible; otherwise let them exhaust their appeals and rot in prison.  I know it's not a crime deterrent.  I know it's more expensive to put someone to death than keep them in prison for life.  But I think it's within the rights of the people to execute a person who is evil enough to commit the most evil crimes. All life is precious, but our decisions make us into the people we are.  Unborn babies have not made decisions- they are innocent.  Murderers have taken the lives of others- they have no innocence or any claim to their own lives.  Just my two cents... rm6- A child is a parasite until they are born? Are you kidding me? Wow for being valedictorian that is pretty scary. Then you sure didn't learn to much in school. An unborn child is called a fetus not a parasite!!! http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_141921 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_141921 rm6- A child is a parasite until they are born? Are you kidding me? Wow for being valedictorian that is pretty scary. Then you sure didn't learn to much in school. An unborn child is called a fetus not a parasite!!! Okay, I have to add this.  rm6- abortions for medical reasons are practically always understandable (except maybe by a few religious nuts).  There are not many people that would debate that.  And if you commit justifiable homicide, there is no way you are going to be given the death penalty.  You probably wouldn't even get prosecuted for murder.  Not very good points. Raiderfan- I believe rm6 is just talking about a theory by David Haig, a biologist, who proposed that a fetus acts in a similar fashion as a parasite to a mother's body (i.e. fighting for limited resources).  And there is evidence that the mother's body actually resists pregnancy (silly IMO).  One part of the theory is the fact that the vagina is acidic (though it's mainly to fight infection) and the cowpers gland (in the male reproductive system) has to put out a basic secretion (pre-cum) in order to neutralize the environment and make it suitable for the survival of sperm.  A woman's body has many defenses though and the male system is tailor designed to defeat these defenses to ensure reproduction. An interesting article on Haig's theory:  http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/14/health/14preg.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1190522922-iV0aWnPI1qh9/buLjgFmZg http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_141948 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_141948 Okay, I have to add this.  rm6- abortions for medical reasons are practically always understandable (except maybe by a few religious nuts).  There are not many people that would debate that.  And if you commit justifiable homicide, there is no way you are going to be given the death penalty.  You probably wouldn't even get prosecuted for murder.  Not very good points. Raiderfan- I believe rm6 is just talking about a theory by David Haig, a biologist, who proposed that a fetus acts in a similar fashion as a parasite to a mother's body (i.e. fighting for limited resources).  And there is evidence that the mother's body actually resists pregnancy (silly IMO).  One part of the theory is the fact that the vagina is acidic (though it's mainly to fight infection) and the cowpers gland (in the male reproductive system) has to put out a basic secretion (pre-cum) in order to neutralize the environment and make it suitable for the survival of sperm.  A woman's body has many defenses though and the male system is tailor designed to defeat these defenses to ensure reproduction. An interesting article on Haig's theory:  http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/14/health/14preg.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1190522922-iV0aWnPI1qh9/buLjgFmZg I have to admit that it is a lot easier to feel sorry for an unborn child that is totally innocent and defenseless with no one to fight for them(heck even the murders have someone to plead their case) than some murderer that has senselessly taken lives. Especially those that commit crimes against children. While I don't think we should be killing people( I don't think it's up to us to take life) I still fight with my initial reaction of "Kill them, kill them all" after hearing about some pervert that has committed crimes against our children! Oh, and I do not believe in abortion. As a matter of fact I'll be at the fair this Mon. working in my PRO-LIFE booth. Feel free to come by and say "hi" if you're there! http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_141957 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_141957 I have to admit that it is a lot easier to feel sorry for an unborn child that is totally innocent and defenseless with no one to fight for them(heck even the murders have someone to plead their case) than some murderer that has senselessly taken lives. Especially those that commit crimes against children. While I don't think we should be killing people( I don't think it's up to us to take life) I still fight with my initial reaction of "Kill them, kill them all" after hearing about some pervert that has committed crimes against our children! Oh, and I do not believe in abortion. As a matter of fact I'll be at the fair this Mon. working in my PRO-LIFE booth. Feel free to come by and say "hi" if you're there! Wow Raiderfan (I too am a fan of the Raiders, too bad they suck yet again this year)...I guess that reference went way over your head, I did, after all, take AP Biology in high school, where we outlined virtually the entire book, and I passed the AP Bio exam with a 5 (the highest score possible), so I guess I don't know anything about biology at all. Sorry about the sarcasm, but it ticks me off when people claim that I or someone else lacks knowledge, but provides no evidence to back up that claim. Regardless of the negative connotations, a parasite is an organism that lives on or in another organism, from which it obtains nutrients, which I believe is exactly what the fetus does until it exits the mother's body. Madkow, that "what if" question was posed as a response to a comment that has since been deleted, you're right it doesn't make much sense now that that comment is gone. http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_141965 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_141965 Wow Raiderfan (I too am a fan of the Raiders, too bad they suck yet again this year)...I guess that reference went way over your head, I did, after all, take AP Biology in high school, where we outlined virtually the entire book, and I passed the AP Bio exam with a 5 (the highest score possible), so I guess I don't know anything about biology at all. Sorry about the sarcasm, but it ticks me off when people claim that I or someone else lacks knowledge, but provides no evidence to back up that claim. Regardless of the negative connotations, a parasite is an organism that lives on or in another organism, from which it obtains nutrients, which I believe is exactly what the fetus does until it exits the mother's body. Madkow, that "what if" question was posed as a response to a comment that has since been deleted, you're right it doesn't make much sense now that that comment is gone. What I feel most  people need to understand is that being “pro-choice” does not mean you are pro-abortion. How many women wake up one day and say, “Hmmm, I’ll go out and get pregnant so I can experience the joy of an abortion!”? None is my guess.   I am pro-family, pro-child and pro-choice. Being “pro-choice” is saying you have the right to have and keep your baby, have and give your baby up for adoption or a woman may choose to terminate the pregnancy safely.  The best way to keep abortion numbers down is EDUCATION. Less unintended pregnancies means less abortions. On the death penalty, I go back and forth, I readily admit to being a 'wall sitter' on this one. In peace, Annette   http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_142032 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_142032 What I feel most  people need to understand is that being “pro-choice” does not mean you are pro-abortion. How many women wake up one day and say, “Hmmm, I’ll go out and get pregnant so I can experience the joy of an abortion!”? None is my guess.   I am pro-family, pro-child and pro-choice. Being “pro-choice” is saying you have the right to have and keep your baby, have and give your baby up for adoption or a woman may choose to terminate the pregnancy safely.  The best way to keep abortion numbers down is EDUCATION. Less unintended pregnancies means less abortions. On the death penalty, I go back and forth, I readily admit to being a 'wall sitter' on this one. In peace, Annette   "Look at Europe, there popluation is declining due to abortions and birth control, there are more people dying than being born." And this is a bad thing?  If this was world wide for a few decades, the world would be a better place!  There are to many people on this plant as it is now. http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_142051 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_142051 "Look at Europe, there popluation is declining due to abortions and birth control, there are more people dying than being born." And this is a bad thing?  If this was world wide for a few decades, the world would be a better place!  There are to many people on this plant as it is now. There is no contradiction.  There is no hypocrisy.  It isn't a matter of respecting life, it's a matter of giving people what they deserve.  An innocent child deserves to live because the mother has a responsibility to protect it.  A very evil person (IMO) deserves to die when they have done society immeasurable harm be taking the life of another (or others).  It is not the judge, it is not the prosecutor, it is not the prison system that is putting him/her to death.  It is the jury of his/her peers that sentenced him/her.  It is "the people" versus this person, which represents all of us.  And why is it not within the right of our society to lawfully punish, even if it means eliminating a terrible threat to the life of others.  Is that not respectful to life as well?  And what of the life of the victims?  And the potential future victims?  Nobody even considers them in this debate. And peacetoyou, I couldn't agree more!  The best way to keep abortion down is education!!!  Though, I wonder how many people that are all for abortions really know how abortions are performed and all the legal time frames.  It's fascinating to learn and had a huge impact on my current stance. http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_142068 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_142068 There is no contradiction.  There is no hypocrisy.  It isn't a matter of respecting life, it's a matter of giving people what they deserve.  An innocent child deserves to live because the mother has a responsibility to protect it.  A very evil person (IMO) deserves to die when they have done society immeasurable harm be taking the life of another (or others).  It is not the judge, it is not the prosecutor, it is not the prison system that is putting him/her to death.  It is the jury of his/her peers that sentenced him/her.  It is "the people" versus this person, which represents all of us.  And why is it not within the right of our society to lawfully punish, even if it means eliminating a terrible threat to the life of others.  Is that not respectful to life as well?  And what of the life of the victims?  And the potential future victims?  Nobody even considers them in this debate. And peacetoyou, I couldn't agree more!  The best way to keep abortion down is education!!!  Though, I wonder how many people that are all for abortions really know how abortions are performed and all the legal time frames.  It's fascinating to learn and had a huge impact on my current stance. Here is my two cents. First the baby is not a parasite, it is a baby. It has human DNA that come from both  parents which makes it a fetus. Fetus- (used chiefly of viviparous mammals) the young of an animal in the womb or egg, esp. in the later stages of development when the body structures are in the recognizable form of its kind, in humans after the end of the second month of gestation. Now here is my believe as to why I believe in the death penalty and not abortion. First the baby is innocent and up to this point and been able to do nothing to hurt anyone or anything. Yes I know that child birth hurts, but that is different than endangering the woman's life. Second the murderer has already proven himself to kill. He has been born and chose to kill others for what ever reason he had. Now here is an idea most I don't  see or realize. If a man kills a pregnant woman regardless if she knew , wanted it, or etc... The man will be charged with two murders. It does not matter if the woman was on her way to the clinic for an abortion, the man is arrested for two murders. It also does not matter if the woman is in the first or last trimester, it is still two murders. So now if we believe the fetus is a parasite, isn't it only one murder? If abortion is legal up to a certain point, then it shouldn't be murder until the same point also. So is abortion murder or is it the removal of a parasite? http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143173 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143173 Here is my two cents. First the baby is not a parasite, it is a baby. It has human DNA that come from both  parents which makes it a fetus. Fetus- (used chiefly of viviparous mammals) the young of an animal in the womb or egg, esp. in the later stages of development when the body structures are in the recognizable form of its kind, in humans after the end of the second month of gestation. Now here is my believe as to why I believe in the death penalty and not abortion. First the baby is innocent and up to this point and been able to do nothing to hurt anyone or anything. Yes I know that child birth hurts, but that is different than endangering the woman's life. Second the murderer has already proven himself to kill. He has been born and chose to kill others for what ever reason he had. Now here is an idea most I don't  see or realize. If a man kills a pregnant woman regardless if she knew , wanted it, or etc... The man will be charged with two murders. It does not matter if the woman was on her way to the clinic for an abortion, the man is arrested for two murders. It also does not matter if the woman is in the first or last trimester, it is still two murders. So now if we believe the fetus is a parasite, isn't it only one murder? If abortion is legal up to a certain point, then it shouldn't be murder until the same point also. So is abortion murder or is it the removal of a parasite? jer72--If a man kills a pregnant woman regardless if she knew , wanted it, or etc... The man will be charged with two murders.  Isn't this when the fetus is viable outside of the womb?  For instance if a women is 3 week pregnant, that fetus could not survive out of the womb.  And don't the laws differ in different states?  I'm not talking about abortion be legal or not, but the actual laws on the books about charges and sentencing and so forth. http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143199 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143199 jer72--If a man kills a pregnant woman regardless if she knew , wanted it, or etc... The man will be charged with two murders.  Isn't this when the fetus is viable outside of the womb?  For instance if a women is 3 week pregnant, that fetus could not survive out of the womb.  And don't the laws differ in different states?  I'm not talking about abortion be legal or not, but the actual laws on the books about charges and sentencing and so forth. posted by madkow2747 on Sep 23, 2007 at 11:01 AM Though, I wonder how many people that are all for abortions really know how abortions are performed and all the legal time frames.   When Medical Surgical Mifepristone with misoprostol Methotrexate with misoprostol Manual vacuum aspiration, as early as 3 weeks after last menstrual period (uses a tube attached to a handheld syringe that draws all tissue from within the uterus) Mifepristone with misoprostol Methotrexate with misoprostol (Medical abortion is less effective beyond 9 weeks.) Manual vacuum aspiration Machine vacuum aspiration (uses a tube attached to an electric pump that draws all tissue from within the uterus) Dilation and curettage (D&C), seldom used None Dilation and evacuation (D&E), a combination of vacuum aspiration, forceps, and D&C Induction, possibly with D&E, seldom used Who can have an abortion? An abortion is legal, with some restrictions, in the United States. Many states require women to wait 24 hours or longer after a first informational appointment. Some states require a parent's consent for women under the age of 18 before they can have an abortion. In these states, however, a minor has the right to seek a court order allowing an abortion without a parent's consent. (Over half of women under the age of 18 who have an abortion have their decision supported by at least one of their parents. 5 ) Contact your closest Planned Parenthood or other family planning clinic for more information about restrictions in your state, as well as neighboring states. Abortions are rarely done after 24 weeks of pregnancy (during the late second trimester and entire third trimester). Many states in the U.S. have restrictions on abortions after 24 weeks.  When can an abortion be done? Depending on how many weeks pregnant you are, you may have a choice between two or more types of abortion procedures. Medical and surgical methods available differ at each stage of pregnancy. As a pregnancy progresses into the second trimester, only surgical abortion can be used. Risks of second-trimester surgical abortion are higher than risks for first-trimester abortion. Medical abortion, the use of medications to end an early pregnancy, is up to 98% effective within the first 9 weeks of pregnancy. 11 As a pregnancy progresses into the late first trimester, medications are less likely to fully induce an abortion. When this happens, a follow-up surgical abortion becomes necessary to make sure that the uterus is completely clear of tissue. A typical treatment schedule for a medical abortion includes a first medical visit and medication, followed 3 to 4 days later by a second medical check and medication (another common schedule allows the second medication to be taken at home 12 ). Heavy vaginal bleeding lasts about 14 days. About 2 weeks after the second medical visit, a follow-up examination is necessary to ensure that you are recovering well. Medical care before and after a medical abortion includes physical exams and lab tests, education about what to expect, self-care instructions, information on when to call your health professional, and birth control planning. Medications currently available in the United States for inducing abortion are: Misoprostol. This hormone induces labor by softening and opening (dilating) the cervix and triggering uterine contractions. Misoprostol used alone may terminate a pregnancy but is much more effective when used with other medications, such as mifepristone or methotrexate, in first-trimester abortions. 4 Mifepristone and misoprostol. Mifepristone, also known as Mifeprex or RU-486, blocks the use of the hormone progesterone. This stops the placenta's growth, softens the cervix, and makes the uterus ready for labor. Misoprostol is then used to start contractions to clear the uterus of all tissue. This is effective 95% to 98% of the time among women 9 weeks pregnant or less. 4, 1 Methotrexate and misoprostol. Methotrexate interferes with the placenta's growth; it is not as effective as mifepristone and takes longer to abort a pregnancy. 11 Misoprostol is then used to start contractions to clear the uterus of all tissue. This is effective 95% to 99% of the time when completed before 7 weeks of pregnancy A surgical abortion ends a pregnancy by surgically removing the contents of the uterus. Different procedures are used for surgical abortion, depending on how many weeks of pregnancy have passed. Care before and after a surgical abortion includes a physical examination and lab tests, education about what to expect, self-care instructions, symptoms that indicate you should call your health professional, and birth control planning. Surgical methods in the first trimester (3 to 12 weeks) Manual vacuum aspiration (MVA) or machine vacuum aspiration uses suction through a small tube to empty the uterus of all tissue. Dilation and curettage (D&C), which is more "surgical" than aspiration, uses a sharp instrument to clear the uterus. It is usually reserved for following up on medical or vacuum aspiration procedures that have not completely emptied the uterus. Surgical method in the second trimester Dilation and evacuation (D&E) is typically done when an abortion occurs in the second 12 weeks (second trimester) of pregnancy. It usually includes a combination of vacuum aspiration, dilation and curettage (D&C), and the use of surgical instruments (such as forceps) to clear the uterus of fetal and placental tissue. A D&E is most commonly used during the second trimester because it has a lower complication risk than induction abortion. Nonsurgical method in the second trimester Induction abortion ends a second-trimester pregnancy by using medications to start (induce) contractions, which expel the fetus from the uterus. This is rarely done. Vacuum aspiration   Vacuum aspiration, also called suction aspiration, is a minor surgical procedure used to clear the contents of the uterus during the first trimester of pregnancy. A thin, hollow tube (cannula) is inserted into the uterus, and a specially designed syringe or pump is used to suction out all tissue contained in the uterus. Manual vacuum aspiration (MVA) can be used between 3 and 7 weeks after the last menstrual period. A hollow tube is passed through the cervix and into the uterus, and a handheld syringe is used to apply suction through the thin tube. MVA can be performed safely in a clinic or medical office setting. Machine vacuum aspiration is the most common abortion method used in the first 6 to 12 weeks of pregnancy. First, the cervix is opened (dilated) and antibiotics are given to prevent infection. A hollow tube (attached to a bottle and pump) is then passed into the uterus, the pump is turned on, and all tissue is gently removed from the uterus. Vacuum aspiration is also used to empty the uterus after an incomplete miscarriage.   Dilation and curettage (D&C) A dilation and curettage (D&C) is a procedure that is done to remove tissue from inside the uterus. During a D&C, the vagina is spread open, and a scraping or suction instrument is passed through the cervix and into the uterus to remove tissue from the lining of the uterus (endometrium). A D&C may be done to: Remove tissue that remains after a woman has had a miscarriage. Remove tissue that may be causing abnormal vaginal bleeding. The tissue can then be examined for any abnormalities. End a pregnancy (abortion). A D&C is usually done in a hospital without requiring an overnight stay. Pain medication is given before the procedure. Many women choose to have a general anesthetic that makes them unconscious during the procedure. http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143211 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143211 posted by madkow2747 on Sep 23, 2007 at 11:01 AM Though, I wonder how many people that are all for abortions really know how abortions are performed and all the legal time frames.   When Medical Surgical Mifepristone with misoprostol Methotrexate with misoprostol Manual vacuum aspiration, as early as 3 weeks after last menstrual period (uses a tube attached to a handheld syringe that draws all tissue from within the uterus) Mifepristone with misoprostol Methotrexate with misoprostol (Medical abortion is less effective beyond 9 weeks.) Manual vacuum aspiration Machine vacuum aspiration (uses a tube attached to an electric pump that draws all tissue from within the uterus) Dilation and curettage (D&C), seldom used None Dilation and evacuation (D&E), a combination of vacuum aspiration, forceps, and D&C Induction, possibly with D&E, seldom used Who can have an abortion? An abortion is legal, with some restrictions, in the United States. Many states require women to wait 24 hours or longer after a first informational appointment. Some states require a parent's consent for women under the age of 18 before they can have an abortion. In these states, however, a minor has the right to seek a court order allowing an abortion without a parent's consent. (Over half of women under the age of 18 who have an abortion have their decision supported by at least one of their parents. 5 ) Contact your closest Planned Parenthood or other family planning clinic for more information about restrictions in your state, as well as neighboring states. Abortions are rarely done after 24 weeks of pregnancy (during the late second trimester and entire third trimester). Many states in the U.S. have restrictions on abortions after 24 weeks.  When can an abortion be done? Depending on how many weeks pregnant you are, you may have a choice between two or more types of abortion procedures. Medical and surgical methods available differ at each stage of pregnancy. As a pregnancy progresses into the second trimester, only surgical abortion can be used. Risks of second-trimester surgical abortion are higher than risks for first-trimester abortion. Medical abortion, the use of medications to end an early pregnancy, is up to 98% effective within the first 9 weeks of pregnancy. 11 As a pregnancy progresses into the late first trimester, medications are less likely to fully induce an abortion. When this happens, a follow-up surgical abortion becomes necessary to make sure that the uterus is completely clear of tissue. A typical treatment schedule for a medical abortion includes a first medical visit and medication, followed 3 to 4 days later by a second medical check and medication (another common schedule allows the second medication to be taken at home 12 ). Heavy vaginal bleeding lasts about 14 days. About 2 weeks after the second medical visit, a follow-up examination is necessary to ensure that you are recovering well. Medical care before and after a medical abortion includes physical exams and lab tests, education about what to expect, self-care instructions, information on when to call your health professional, and birth control planning. Medications currently available in the United States for inducing abortion are: Misoprostol. This hormone induces labor by softening and opening (dilating) the cervix and triggering uterine contractions. Misoprostol used alone may terminate a pregnancy but is much more effective when used with other medications, such as mifepristone or methotrexate, in first-trimester abortions. 4 Mifepristone and misoprostol. Mifepristone, also known as Mifeprex or RU-486, blocks the use of the hormone progesterone. This stops the placenta's growth, softens the cervix, and makes the uterus ready for labor. Misoprostol is then used to start contractions to clear the uterus of all tissue. This is effective 95% to 98% of the time among women 9 weeks pregnant or less. 4, 1 Methotrexate and misoprostol. Methotrexate interferes with the placenta's growth; it is not as effective as mifepristone and takes longer to abort a pregnancy. 11 Misoprostol is then used to start contractions to clear the uterus of all tissue. This is effective 95% to 99% of the time when completed before 7 weeks of pregnancy A surgical abortion ends a pregnancy by surgically removing the contents of the uterus. Different procedures are used for surgical abortion, depending on how many weeks of pregnancy have passed. Care before and after a surgical abortion includes a physical examination and lab tests, education about what to expect, self-care instructions, symptoms that indicate you should call your health professional, and birth control planning. Surgical methods in the first trimester (3 to 12 weeks) Manual vacuum aspiration (MVA) or machine vacuum aspiration uses suction through a small tube to empty the uterus of all tissue. Dilation and curettage (D&C), which is more "surgical" than aspiration, uses a sharp instrument to clear the uterus. It is usually reserved for following up on medical or vacuum aspiration procedures that have not completely emptied the uterus. Surgical method in the second trimester Dilation and evacuation (D&E) is typically done when an abortion occurs in the second 12 weeks (second trimester) of pregnancy. It usually includes a combination of vacuum aspiration, dilation and curettage (D&C), and the use of surgical instruments (such as forceps) to clear the uterus of fetal and placental tissue. A D&E is most commonly used during the second trimester because it has a lower complication risk than induction abortion. Nonsurgical method in the second trimester Induction abortion ends a second-trimester pregnancy by using medications to start (induce) contractions, which expel the fetus from the uterus. This is rarely done. Vacuum aspiration   Vacuum aspiration, also called suction aspiration, is a minor surgical procedure used to clear the contents of the uterus during the first trimester of pregnancy. A thin, hollow tube (cannula) is inserted into the uterus, and a specially designed syringe or pump is used to suction out all tissue contained in the uterus. Manual vacuum aspiration (MVA) can be used between 3 and 7 weeks after the last menstrual period. A hollow tube is passed through the cervix and into the uterus, and a handheld syringe is used to apply suction through the thin tube. MVA can be performed safely in a clinic or medical office setting. Machine vacuum aspiration is the most common abortion method used in the first 6 to 12 weeks of pregnancy. First, the cervix is opened (dilated) and antibiotics are given to prevent infection. A hollow tube (attached to a bottle and pump) is then passed into the uterus, the pump is turned on, and all tissue is gently removed from the uterus. Vacuum aspiration is also used to empty the uterus after an incomplete miscarriage.   Dilation and curettage (D&C) A dilation and curettage (D&C) is a procedure that is done to remove tissue from inside the uterus. During a D&C, the vagina is spread open, and a scraping or suction instrument is passed through the cervix and into the uterus to remove tissue from the lining of the uterus (endometrium). A D&C may be done to: Remove tissue that remains after a woman has had a miscarriage. Remove tissue that may be causing abnormal vaginal bleeding. The tissue can then be examined for any abnormalities. End a pregnancy (abortion). A D&C is usually done in a hospital without requiring an overnight stay. Pain medication is given before the procedure. Many women choose to have a general anesthetic that makes them unconscious during the procedure. I myself believe in the death penalty.  However, I think only when it is absolutely certain that the person is guilty of the crime they committed.  With a hitch.  I think it should be left to victims family on what should be done with that person.  If killing the SOB would bring closure to them then it should be their right to make the final decision.  However, it they are to spend the rest of their lives in prison, I believe they should have absolutely no rights. No family contact, no phone calls, no tv, no rec time, they cannot be rehabilitated for the crime they committed, so why waste energy in making this persons life worth living.  Make them wish they were as dead as the child, or person they so brutally murdered.  Give them an extra sheet so if they want to hang themselves they can. I think they should have two types of prisons. One for the drug addicts, dealers, drunk drivers etc, those that with "proper rehabilitation can maybe someday be productive citizens"  treat them as if they were in rehab.  Provide counseling, education whatever it takes  help them.  Unfortunatly our prison system isn't really set up that way.  The other prison would be for those who are molestors, rapists, cold blooded murderers and those of course who want to make prison their home.  (3 hots and cot). They don't need to be pampered. They don't need to be entertained.  They made their choice let them live there free of charge, feed them peanut butter sandwiches and let them live in the hell they chose for themselves.  (I'm not being very liberal here am I) Abortion is a different topic.  That's touchy for me. The minute I knew I was pregnant, it was a real living child inside of me.  For some however, becoming pregnant is not a positive experience.  It's not the right time. Sure they made a mistake and should have been careful.  But shoulds just aren't good enough somtimes.  Most of us have experienced the fact of "I should have". I'm not sure that deciding on abortion is ever an easy decision to make.  I think that a lot of people who have had abortions have looked back on the decision with great heartache and what if's.  There are some however that don't feel as if the baby inside them is actually a living being yet.  Abortion, that's really tough. I believe a woman has the right to choose what to do with her own body.  But I also hope that she knows what she's in for if the guilt sets in. http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143224 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143224 I myself believe in the death penalty.  However, I think only when it is absolutely certain that the person is guilty of the crime they committed.  With a hitch.  I think it should be left to victims family on what should be done with that person.  If killing the SOB would bring closure to them then it should be their right to make the final decision.  However, it they are to spend the rest of their lives in prison, I believe they should have absolutely no rights. No family contact, no phone calls, no tv, no rec time, they cannot be rehabilitated for the crime they committed, so why waste energy in making this persons life worth living.  Make them wish they were as dead as the child, or person they so brutally murdered.  Give them an extra sheet so if they want to hang themselves they can. I think they should have two types of prisons. One for the drug addicts, dealers, drunk drivers etc, those that with "proper rehabilitation can maybe someday be productive citizens"  treat them as if they were in rehab.  Provide counseling, education whatever it takes  help them.  Unfortunatly our prison system isn't really set up that way.  The other prison would be for those who are molestors, rapists, cold blooded murderers and those of course who want to make prison their home.  (3 hots and cot). They don't need to be pampered. They don't need to be entertained.  They made their choice let them live there free of charge, feed them peanut butter sandwiches and let them live in the hell they chose for themselves.  (I'm not being very liberal here am I) Abortion is a different topic.  That's touchy for me. The minute I knew I was pregnant, it was a real living child inside of me.  For some however, becoming pregnant is not a positive experience.  It's not the right time. Sure they made a mistake and should have been careful.  But shoulds just aren't good enough somtimes.  Most of us have experienced the fact of "I should have". I'm not sure that deciding on abortion is ever an easy decision to make.  I think that a lot of people who have had abortions have looked back on the decision with great heartache and what if's.  There are some however that don't feel as if the baby inside them is actually a living being yet.  Abortion, that's really tough. I believe a woman has the right to choose what to do with her own body.  But I also hope that she knows what she's in for if the guilt sets in. Thank you for posting that info Colitas!  That was a wonderful assessment.  I seem to recall one further method- that of saline injection (with a court order)- but I'd have to dig out my school books to find it.  And frankly, I'm lazy today :)  And I admit one further thing that influenced my abortion position greatly.  About two years ago my doctor gave me a tentative diagnosis of infertility.  (Thankfully it was wrong!)  But it was absolutely emotionally wrenching to think of women going to a clinic to have a life taken out of them when some women would give anything just to be able to carry a child.  It just doesn't seem fair.  I know, a terrible departure from an objective argument, but there you have it.  It seems impossible to separate this issue from emotions and personal experience. Though oddly enough, I have absolutely no problem with RU-486 and it's like.  Maybe because it has to be taken so early.  I'm not sure.  But I wouldn't disagree to it being sold without prescriptions even. http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143287 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143287 Thank you for posting that info Colitas!  That was a wonderful assessment.  I seem to recall one further method- that of saline injection (with a court order)- but I'd have to dig out my school books to find it.  And frankly, I'm lazy today :)  And I admit one further thing that influenced my abortion position greatly.  About two years ago my doctor gave me a tentative diagnosis of infertility.  (Thankfully it was wrong!)  But it was absolutely emotionally wrenching to think of women going to a clinic to have a life taken out of them when some women would give anything just to be able to carry a child.  It just doesn't seem fair.  I know, a terrible departure from an objective argument, but there you have it.  It seems impossible to separate this issue from emotions and personal experience. Though oddly enough, I have absolutely no problem with RU-486 and it's like.  Maybe because it has to be taken so early.  I'm not sure.  But I wouldn't disagree to it being sold without prescriptions even. Colitas, Yes it is different per state, not 100% sure on the timing of murder but believe I heard in more than one case that even at three weeks it is murder. http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143318 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143318 Colitas, Yes it is different per state, not 100% sure on the timing of murder but believe I heard in more than one case that even at three weeks it is murder. careful madkow, jim might come in and put you in his basket of "evil doers", you are showing signs of reason...hee hee.  And I could be wrong but I don't they use saline anymore.  They use to but not anymore.  Again, I believe this is a personal choice, hence "Pro Choice".  Everyone has their own experiences and reasons for their views on this.  I've known many people who can not have children and would be wonderful parents.  Then there are the ones who have child after child with no resources and a bad environment.  (substance abuse, baby after baby born addicted to something, physical abuse, etc)  This too can be emotionally wrenching.  How many children does this country have in foster care, orphanages, homes (like the Jamison Center), homeless centers, etc?  Do we need more unwanted children?  Who suffers?  The child does.  It is one thing to already have children and fall on hard times.  But it's a whole another ball game to keep having children.  We have to take responsibility for our own actions.  Whether right or wrong.  Crap....here comes my conservative side coming out.  But then again I am the fence rider..ha ha.  http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143320 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143320 careful madkow, jim might come in and put you in his basket of "evil doers", you are showing signs of reason...hee hee.  And I could be wrong but I don't they use saline anymore.  They use to but not anymore.  Again, I believe this is a personal choice, hence "Pro Choice".  Everyone has their own experiences and reasons for their views on this.  I've known many people who can not have children and would be wonderful parents.  Then there are the ones who have child after child with no resources and a bad environment.  (substance abuse, baby after baby born addicted to something, physical abuse, etc)  This too can be emotionally wrenching.  How many children does this country have in foster care, orphanages, homes (like the Jamison Center), homeless centers, etc?  Do we need more unwanted children?  Who suffers?  The child does.  It is one thing to already have children and fall on hard times.  But it's a whole another ball game to keep having children.  We have to take responsibility for our own actions.  Whether right or wrong.  Crap....here comes my conservative side coming out.  But then again I am the fence rider..ha ha.  Christian Jim is ignoring me on his blog again.  I think I've been banished.  I'm a BAAAAAD girl! http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143331 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143331 Christian Jim is ignoring me on his blog again.  I think I've been banished.  I'm a BAAAAAD girl! Education....I find it extremely hard to believe that most people having sex are not educated about how people get pregnant. I highly doubt they think that only married people have babies or that the stork is still dropping off babies. Now as far as education on sexually transmitted diseases, etc. I couldn't agree more, but do you honestly think that if you were to ask a sexually active person how someone gets pregnant they'd say, "I don't know?"  Come on!  Peacetoyou......No, I don't think people are getting pregnant so they can experience an abortion, but if you believe abortion is an option(sorry to inform you) you are "pro abortion". Pro-Choice= the choice to keep the baby, put up for adoption or abort... IOW you believe the woman has the choice to decide if her child lives or dies depending on the choice she makes. Pro-Life= The choice to keep the baby or put up for adoption.....you still have a choice, BUT abortion, or the right to terminate your pregnancy isn't an option. I noticed there wasn't any info on partial birth abortion. Why? I have to admit that I've found it very alarming that many people do not realize the development of an unborn child. It happens A LOT sooner than most people want to believe. That is something more people should be educated about! http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143332 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143332 Education....I find it extremely hard to believe that most people having sex are not educated about how people get pregnant. I highly doubt they think that only married people have babies or that the stork is still dropping off babies. Now as far as education on sexually transmitted diseases, etc. I couldn't agree more, but do you honestly think that if you were to ask a sexually active person how someone gets pregnant they'd say, "I don't know?"  Come on!  Peacetoyou......No, I don't think people are getting pregnant so they can experience an abortion, but if you believe abortion is an option(sorry to inform you) you are "pro abortion". Pro-Choice= the choice to keep the baby, put up for adoption or abort... IOW you believe the woman has the choice to decide if her child lives or dies depending on the choice she makes. Pro-Life= The choice to keep the baby or put up for adoption.....you still have a choice, BUT abortion, or the right to terminate your pregnancy isn't an option. I noticed there wasn't any info on partial birth abortion. Why? I have to admit that I've found it very alarming that many people do not realize the development of an unborn child. It happens A LOT sooner than most people want to believe. That is something more people should be educated about! Murder is the illegal killing of one human being by another. Murder is generally distinguished from other forms of homicide by the elements of malice aforethought and the lack of justification. All jurisdictions, ancient and modern, consider it a most serious crime and impose a severe penalty for its commission. Illegal, or unlawful, is used to describe something that is prohibited or not authorized by law or, more generally, by rules specific to a particular situation (such as a game).    Legal adj. 1. Of, relating to, or concerned with law: legal papers. 2. a. Authorized by or based on law: a legal right. b. Established by law; statutory: the legal owner. 3. In conformity with or permitted by law: legal business operations. 4. Recognized or enforced by law rather than by equity. 5. In terms of or created by the law: a legal offense. 6. Applicable to or characteristic of attorneys or their profession. n. 1. One that is in accord with certain rules or laws. 2. legals Investments that may be legally made by fiduciaries http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143334 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143334 Murder is the illegal killing of one human being by another. Murder is generally distinguished from other forms of homicide by the elements of malice aforethought and the lack of justification. All jurisdictions, ancient and modern, consider it a most serious crime and impose a severe penalty for its commission. Illegal, or unlawful, is used to describe something that is prohibited or not authorized by law or, more generally, by rules specific to a particular situation (such as a game).    Legal adj. 1. Of, relating to, or concerned with law: legal papers. 2. a. Authorized by or based on law: a legal right. b. Established by law; statutory: the legal owner. 3. In conformity with or permitted by law: legal business operations. 4. Recognized or enforced by law rather than by equity. 5. In terms of or created by the law: a legal offense. 6. Applicable to or characteristic of attorneys or their profession. n. 1. One that is in accord with certain rules or laws. 2. legals Investments that may be legally made by fiduciaries countygirl- I think you'd be surprised (perhaps appalled) to find out how uneducated people are as to pregnancy.  One of my college professors (for human sexuality) volunteered at a youth center teaching teenage mothers.  More than half of them believed that they couldn't get pregnant from having sex for the first time.  Most of them believed in the coke myths (like coke douches) and withdrawal method as effective birth control.  Unscientific survey, but sadly telling of the ignorance that ineffective sex ed and unwilling/uninformed parenting can cause. And I think partial-birth abortion is illegal.  Thank God, because that was one of the most horrible things I've ever heard of!  *shudder* http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143338 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143338 countygirl- I think you'd be surprised (perhaps appalled) to find out how uneducated people are as to pregnancy.  One of my college professors (for human sexuality) volunteered at a youth center teaching teenage mothers.  More than half of them believed that they couldn't get pregnant from having sex for the first time.  Most of them believed in the coke myths (like coke douches) and withdrawal method as effective birth control.  Unscientific survey, but sadly telling of the ignorance that ineffective sex ed and unwilling/uninformed parenting can cause. And I think partial-birth abortion is illegal.  Thank God, because that was one of the most horrible things I've ever heard of!  *shudder* Well, here I go into my little utopian dream world (lol), but it would be nice if women could make informed decisions about sex (and there would of course be no rape), abortion would be unnecessary, and the children in foster care and adoption agencies would be well taken care of by their community.  It's sad that my husband and I have thought quite a bit about taking in foster children but we are afraid of our own inexperience and of the potential for dysfunction in the children (and their influence over our children if they are "bad seeds").  I see the failure to care for neglected children as a failure of every single one of us.  I think it is the responsibility of us all to ensure that children are properly cared for (fed, cared for, and raised in a safe and loving family).  And abortion or adoption should never replace effective birth control. Just yesterday, my husband and I were eating at a restaurant and there was a mother and daughter seated behind us.  They were talking loudly (couldn't help overhearing their conversation), but we heard the mother say, "You can sleep with all the guys you want but the one that gets you pregnant is always the one with no job who doesn't care about you."  (The daughter was pregnant, by the way.)  Wonderful motherly talk there! http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143350 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_143350 Well, here I go into my little utopian dream world (lol), but it would be nice if women could make informed decisions about sex (and there would of course be no rape), abortion would be unnecessary, and the children in foster care and adoption agencies would be well taken care of by their community.  It's sad that my husband and I have thought quite a bit about taking in foster children but we are afraid of our own inexperience and of the potential for dysfunction in the children (and their influence over our children if they are "bad seeds").  I see the failure to care for neglected children as a failure of every single one of us.  I think it is the responsibility of us all to ensure that children are properly cared for (fed, cared for, and raised in a safe and loving family).  And abortion or adoption should never replace effective birth control. Just yesterday, my husband and I were eating at a restaurant and there was a mother and daughter seated behind us.  They were talking loudly (couldn't help overhearing their conversation), but we heard the mother say, "You can sleep with all the guys you want but the one that gets you pregnant is always the one with no job who doesn't care about you."  (The daughter was pregnant, by the way.)  Wonderful motherly talk there! GUBETTE: Anonymous aka SHANE RUNNING FOR CITY COUNCIL will say a LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE INCONSISTENT.  You haven't heard anything yet.  Wait until it gets close to Election time next year.  He'll really be swinging in the winds and will go with whatever the popular voice is at that time.  Anonymous speaks like a real politician.  Oh!  I'm sorry.  I meant to say SHANE.   http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_149794 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_149794 GUBETTE: Anonymous aka SHANE RUNNING FOR CITY COUNCIL will say a LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE INCONSISTENT.  You haven't heard anything yet.  Wait until it gets close to Election time next year.  He'll really be swinging in the winds and will go with whatever the popular voice is at that time.  Anonymous speaks like a real politician.  Oh!  I'm sorry.  I meant to say SHANE.   Hey Whoopi why are you calling me Gubette? Where has shanethepain been? Medicone ? are they the same person? http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_149795 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_149795 Hey Whoopi why are you calling me Gubette? Where has shanethepain been? Medicone ? are they the same person? Can someone please explain to me why it is ok to execute a murderer on death row but it's not ok to kill a unborn baby? You are asking the wrong question. You should ask yourself why do you feel it is okay to kill innocent babies yet it is not okay to execute convicted murderers? That will help you see a little deeper into your own soul. Lets make a deal. Pro-lifers will agree to stop executing convicted murderers, approx 10 per year) if the baby killers will stop murdering innocent babies, approx 1 million per year. Fair enough? http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_161537 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_161537 Can someone please explain to me why it is ok to execute a murderer on death row but it's not ok to kill a unborn baby? You are asking the wrong question. You should ask yourself why do you feel it is okay to kill innocent babies yet it is not okay to execute convicted murderers? That will help you see a little deeper into your own soul. Lets make a deal. Pro-lifers will agree to stop executing convicted murderers, approx 10 per year) if the baby killers will stop murdering innocent babies, approx 1 million per year. Fair enough? foolseznogod i don't think it is alright to kill unborn babies. That being said i also don't believe that a man or the government should have the right to tell a female what to do with her body. To me it is no different then a country telling a female that she has to get a abortion. Its her body her choice. That's why i support Pro Choice. There are a lot of people that support Pro-life but then turn around and support capital punishment. That's sounds like a oxy moron to me.I don't think it is right for the government to take a life. So in a perfect world no one would be murdered. http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_161584 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/gube/15009/#c_161584 foolseznogod i don't think it is alright to kill unborn babies. That being said i also don't believe that a man or the government should have the right to tell a female what to do with her body. To me it is no different then a country telling a female that she has to get a abortion. Its her body her choice. That's why i support Pro Choice. There are a lot of people that support Pro-life but then turn around and support capital punishment. That's sounds like a oxy moron to me.I don't think it is right for the government to take a life. So in a perfect world no one would be murdered.