http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374 So now that it looks like we know who's going head to head in November, who do you think Obama & McCain should pick as their Vice Presidential running mates? Do you think the VP choice makes a difference for voters? Would you change your vote for one candidate based only on their running mate? For me, I'd like to see Obama team up with Wesley Clarke. I think that VP candidates do make a small difference, but I wouldn't change my vote if Obama picked someone like, say, Zell Miller. I'd just want to make sure nothin' happened to him. As far as McCain goes, I think he needs a young, charismatic conservative to balance their ticket. I keep hearing Bobby Jindal being mentioned. He's sure a young up & comer! So now that it looks like we know who's going head to head in November, who do you think Obama & McCain should pick as their Vice Presidential running mates? Do you think the VP choice makes a difference for voters? Would you change your vote for one candidate based only on their running mate? For me, I'd like to see Obama team up with Wesley Clarke. I think that VP candidates do make a small difference, but I wouldn't change my vote if Obama picked someone like, say, Zell Miller. I'd just want to make sure nothin' happened to him. As far as McCain goes, I think he needs a young, charismatic conservative to balance their ticket. I keep hearing Bobby Jindal being mentioned. He's sure a young up & comer! en-us For the first time in my life as a registered voter...I am declining to vote in November. Voting is just a symbolic gesture anyway, making the peasants feel as though they have a say in the actual election. My husband has been preaching that to me for years, I'm finally agreeing with him. So, to answer your question, it really no longer matters to me whom they each choose. And no, I won't change my mind even if Clinton was chosen... http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_236234 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_236234 For the first time in my life as a registered voter...I am declining to vote in November. Voting is just a symbolic gesture anyway, making the peasants feel as though they have a say in the actual election. My husband has been preaching that to me for years, I'm finally agreeing with him. So, to answer your question, it really no longer matters to me whom they each choose. And no, I won't change my mind even if Clinton was chosen... Yes, I do think who they pick for a vp matters...  Obama should choose Clinton, Edwards or Biden.   I will definately vote this year..  McCain should choose a very conservative/religious white male, and yes it probably would be better if he chose someone young.   I believe there will be a Democratic president in 2009, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.   http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_236284 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_236284 Yes, I do think who they pick for a vp matters...  Obama should choose Clinton, Edwards or Biden.   I will definately vote this year..  McCain should choose a very conservative/religious white male, and yes it probably would be better if he chose someone young.   I believe there will be a Democratic president in 2009, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.   Well, on to the general election, sorry that Hillary thing didn't work out for you ladies, but, the country doesn't want to go back to the corruption of the Clinton's, they want to go forward, and I agree with oohchild about Wesley Clarke, good choice, and Mcain, hmm, someone like Colin Powell would be good. Ohh, have you heard about Obama visiting all 57 states?, yes, thats right, WOW, he really gets around, they are even making a lapel pin that he might wear, http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/new-patriotic-o.html   http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_236799 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_236799 Well, on to the general election, sorry that Hillary thing didn't work out for you ladies, but, the country doesn't want to go back to the corruption of the Clinton's, they want to go forward, and I agree with oohchild about Wesley Clarke, good choice, and Mcain, hmm, someone like Colin Powell would be good. Ohh, have you heard about Obama visiting all 57 states?, yes, thats right, WOW, he really gets around, they are even making a lapel pin that he might wear, http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/new-patriotic-o.html   What is that supposed to be funny starbucks.........You wanna what a real village idiot watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaY8wzwxWTc&feature=related   http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_236801 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_236801 What is that supposed to be funny starbucks.........You wanna what a real village idiot watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaY8wzwxWTc&feature=related   Gube, there's plenty of stupid remarks and finger pointing to go around, like dare I say, "Jeremiah Wright",?, the 57 state thing is funny, admit it, and I really dont have anything against Obama, I think he is basically a good guy, if he wins, so be it, give him a chance, I would never be so stupid as to say, "Im moving to Canada if he wins!!. http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_236809 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_236809 Gube, there's plenty of stupid remarks and finger pointing to go around, like dare I say, "Jeremiah Wright",?, the 57 state thing is funny, admit it, and I really dont have anything against Obama, I think he is basically a good guy, if he wins, so be it, give him a chance, I would never be so stupid as to say, "Im moving to Canada if he wins!!. ya what makes you think Canada wants you..........lol.......Obama just doesn't deliver a stupid mistake quite as well as Bush but your right he may just 4 years to practice on it... http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_236825 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_236825 ya what makes you think Canada wants you..........lol.......Obama just doesn't deliver a stupid mistake quite as well as Bush but your right he may just 4 years to practice on it... hang in there gube, lots of time for Obama to make mistakes and say stupid things, but will the media report it?, http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_236843 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_236843 hang in there gube, lots of time for Obama to make mistakes and say stupid things, but will the media report it?, The corruption of the Clintons?  Oh you are talking about Bill's affair. Well that didn't do 1/100 th of the harm Bush has done.  Obama will make mistakes too I'm sure... all humans do, but no president will ever come as close as Bush to being the village idiot.  lol  I wouldn't have minded Clinton winning although she is a little too far over to the right for me.  I want a president who can deal with our economy, not be a war monger or a bigot, make sure Americans have health care, deal with immigration reform, and who will stop giving the very rich tax cuts.   I don't think McCain will do what most Americans want, however he is fairly liberal, just not liberal enough for me. http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_236861 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_236861 The corruption of the Clintons?  Oh you are talking about Bill's affair. Well that didn't do 1/100 th of the harm Bush has done.  Obama will make mistakes too I'm sure... all humans do, but no president will ever come as close as Bush to being the village idiot.  lol  I wouldn't have minded Clinton winning although she is a little too far over to the right for me.  I want a president who can deal with our economy, not be a war monger or a bigot, make sure Americans have health care, deal with immigration reform, and who will stop giving the very rich tax cuts.   I don't think McCain will do what most Americans want, however he is fairly liberal, just not liberal enough for me. Joty, you sound so much like my husband. He hasn't voted for years. Says it's a waste of time, but he still argues politics with the best of them. When I point out that he has no intentions of voting, he backs off ( a little.) He's in a tough spot this year, since it looks like no matter who wins, NASA doesn't. Things are gonna be tough next year. We get to hear a lot more about the stupid stuff politicians get caught saying because there's so many more news channels, many being the 24 hour kind. It's not that they're saying more stupid stuff, we just hear about it a lot more. I've heard many conservatives voice a positive opinion about Condi Rice as VP. Do you think this country is ready for a lesbian VP? ;-) http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_236911 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_236911 Joty, you sound so much like my husband. He hasn't voted for years. Says it's a waste of time, but he still argues politics with the best of them. When I point out that he has no intentions of voting, he backs off ( a little.) He's in a tough spot this year, since it looks like no matter who wins, NASA doesn't. Things are gonna be tough next year. We get to hear a lot more about the stupid stuff politicians get caught saying because there's so many more news channels, many being the 24 hour kind. It's not that they're saying more stupid stuff, we just hear about it a lot more. I've heard many conservatives voice a positive opinion about Condi Rice as VP. Do you think this country is ready for a lesbian VP? ;-) Sparks,  I am never referring to Bill's numurous affairs that Hillary knew about but didnt care when I talk about Clinton corruption, I mean more like, The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance - Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates* - Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation - Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify - Most number of witnesses to die suddenly - First president sued for sexual harassment. - Second president accused of rape** - First first lady to come under criminal investigation - Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case - First president to establish a legal defense fund. - First president to be held in contempt of court - Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions - Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad - First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47 - Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33 - Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61 - Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122 As of June 2000, the Justice Department listed 25 people indicted and 19 convicted because of the 1996 Clinton-Gore fundraising scandals. - According to the House Committee on Government Reform in September 2000, 79 House and Senate witnesses asserted the Fifth Amendment in the course of investigations into Gore's last fundraising campaign. -James Riady entered a plea agreement to pay an $8.5 million fine for campaign finance crimes. This was a record under campaign finance laws. Anyway, it goes on and on, too much to put here, I'll referance the link, http://prorev.com/legacy.htm but other than that, CONDI IS A LESBIAN???WOW, I knew there was something I liked about her,,   http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_236972 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_236972 Sparks,  I am never referring to Bill's numurous affairs that Hillary knew about but didnt care when I talk about Clinton corruption, I mean more like, The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance - Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates* - Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation - Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify - Most number of witnesses to die suddenly - First president sued for sexual harassment. - Second president accused of rape** - First first lady to come under criminal investigation - Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case - First president to establish a legal defense fund. - First president to be held in contempt of court - Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions - Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad - First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47 - Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33 - Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61 - Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122 As of June 2000, the Justice Department listed 25 people indicted and 19 convicted because of the 1996 Clinton-Gore fundraising scandals. - According to the House Committee on Government Reform in September 2000, 79 House and Senate witnesses asserted the Fifth Amendment in the course of investigations into Gore's last fundraising campaign. -James Riady entered a plea agreement to pay an $8.5 million fine for campaign finance crimes. This was a record under campaign finance laws. Anyway, it goes on and on, too much to put here, I'll referance the link, http://prorev.com/legacy.htm but other than that, CONDI IS A LESBIAN???WOW, I knew there was something I liked about her,,   A lot of the above IS because of Clinton's Affair, all the investigations are simply the Republicans trying to get him down and waste the tax payers money... Most past presidents have a list that long or longer.  AGAIN it's TRIVIAL compared to what Bush has done to harm our country.. I don't think American cares that Condi is a lesbian (old news),  Sure there are still bigots in America, and that's why Obama will have a more difficult time winning.  Dang, It sure would be nice if people voted on the ISSUES instead of color, or sexual preference.  Oochild,  I hear you about NASA. We are going to feel the crunch in our household as well. Obama would be the worse case scenario, although I would still vote for him for the sake of the this country. I don't think a Democratic president will affect the space aspect of NASA as much as other areas. Is your hubby a civil servant, or a contractor? http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237090 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237090 A lot of the above IS because of Clinton's Affair, all the investigations are simply the Republicans trying to get him down and waste the tax payers money... Most past presidents have a list that long or longer.  AGAIN it's TRIVIAL compared to what Bush has done to harm our country.. I don't think American cares that Condi is a lesbian (old news),  Sure there are still bigots in America, and that's why Obama will have a more difficult time winning.  Dang, It sure would be nice if people voted on the ISSUES instead of color, or sexual preference.  Oochild,  I hear you about NASA. We are going to feel the crunch in our household as well. Obama would be the worse case scenario, although I would still vote for him for the sake of the this country. I don't think a Democratic president will affect the space aspect of NASA as much as other areas. Is your hubby a civil servant, or a contractor? Most of the above link is not connected to Clintons numerous affairs, and the people of this country do not think its trivial, and they have spoken with their voice voting against Hillary in this election, but I agree with you that people dont care if Condi is a lesbian, it is old news, thats why I made the joke silly, but I would argue that people dont care if Obama is black, he picked up alot of white votes, they are voting the issues, not color, and Im all for more funding for NASA, I never heard Obamas stand on that, but Im all for it, Id like to see us go back to the moon and maybe even Mars, http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237284 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237284 Most of the above link is not connected to Clintons numerous affairs, and the people of this country do not think its trivial, and they have spoken with their voice voting against Hillary in this election, but I agree with you that people dont care if Condi is a lesbian, it is old news, thats why I made the joke silly, but I would argue that people dont care if Obama is black, he picked up alot of white votes, they are voting the issues, not color, and Im all for more funding for NASA, I never heard Obamas stand on that, but Im all for it, Id like to see us go back to the moon and maybe even Mars, Sparks, my hubby was a contractor for many years, but we moved up here mostly so he could get a civil service position. So, he's still a newbie out there with only a few years under his belt. Obama has been wishy-washy at best, when it comes to funding NASA. At first he said he wanted all money to go to education, basically gutting what little NASA had left. Now he's backed off that position. We really won't know his true intentions until we see his first budget. Starbucks1, the problem with going to the Moon & Mars is funding. While Bush tried to talk a good game about manned missions to the Moon, there's barely enough money to develop the CEV & Orion rocket system. I just don't see anyone funding the projects like we did in the '60s. If it's not militarily oriented, the government puts it on the bottom of the list. Y'know, if people really didn't care about Condi's lesbian tendencies, why is she keeping it a secret?  I think a lot of people do care, it's just that those folks are the ones pushing for her to serve in an elected position. She needs to wake up & realize which party better serves her interests. Same with Dick Cheney's daughter. They think they can change the RNC from within, but I don't see those folks giving up their fear anytime soon. http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237326 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237326 Sparks, my hubby was a contractor for many years, but we moved up here mostly so he could get a civil service position. So, he's still a newbie out there with only a few years under his belt. Obama has been wishy-washy at best, when it comes to funding NASA. At first he said he wanted all money to go to education, basically gutting what little NASA had left. Now he's backed off that position. We really won't know his true intentions until we see his first budget. Starbucks1, the problem with going to the Moon & Mars is funding. While Bush tried to talk a good game about manned missions to the Moon, there's barely enough money to develop the CEV & Orion rocket system. I just don't see anyone funding the projects like we did in the '60s. If it's not militarily oriented, the government puts it on the bottom of the list. Y'know, if people really didn't care about Condi's lesbian tendencies, why is she keeping it a secret?  I think a lot of people do care, it's just that those folks are the ones pushing for her to serve in an elected position. She needs to wake up & realize which party better serves her interests. Same with Dick Cheney's daughter. They think they can change the RNC from within, but I don't see those folks giving up their fear anytime soon. CEV & Orion is our concern as well as you can see by the digital art I created in photoshop of the Orion in outer space (below).  That is supposed to be the dark side of the moon and mars.  Not to scale with the Orion, but it's art...it doesn't have to be.  lol  My partner did the same thing...finally civil service here.  Right, if it's not military oriented, it doesn't get funded. .   http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237407 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237407 CEV & Orion is our concern as well as you can see by the digital art I created in photoshop of the Orion in outer space (below).  That is supposed to be the dark side of the moon and mars.  Not to scale with the Orion, but it's art...it doesn't have to be.  lol  My partner did the same thing...finally civil service here.  Right, if it's not military oriented, it doesn't get funded. .   For those who may not know, this project is not military, and it is funded, Lockheed Martin Corp. won a multibillion-dollar contract to build a vehicle to replace NASA's space shuttles, put a human on the moon for the first time since 1972 and be the precursor to a manned spaceship to Mars. The award marks NASA's most concrete step to fulfill President Bush's two-year-old, $230 billion promise that the space agency would return astronauts to the moon and restore excitement about space exploration. NASA has planned to replace the shuttles since the mid-1980s.Orion will look somewhat like the three-man Apollo command module but will carry as many as six astronauts. Like the shuttle, Orion will be able to carry cargo to and from the International Space Station.Orion is expected to make its first manned flight by 2014, four years after NASA's three operating shuttles are retired. NASA said it hopes for a moon landing by 2020, NASA Constellation and Lockheed Martin engineers have completed the first stage of a realignment of the Orion spacecraft, a process to control mass issues relating to the Lunar capabilities of the vehicle - classed as the most significant issue engineers are currently working on. As Orion and Ares progress towards PDR (Preliminary Design Review) and the next phase of development cycles (DACs), the Altair Project is beginning to seriously study potential configurations for the lunar lander. Hmm this isnt military, and it got funded, , I hope the next presisdent continues this funding, http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/cat.asp?cid=16   http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237432 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237432 For those who may not know, this project is not military, and it is funded, Lockheed Martin Corp. won a multibillion-dollar contract to build a vehicle to replace NASA's space shuttles, put a human on the moon for the first time since 1972 and be the precursor to a manned spaceship to Mars. The award marks NASA's most concrete step to fulfill President Bush's two-year-old, $230 billion promise that the space agency would return astronauts to the moon and restore excitement about space exploration. NASA has planned to replace the shuttles since the mid-1980s.Orion will look somewhat like the three-man Apollo command module but will carry as many as six astronauts. Like the shuttle, Orion will be able to carry cargo to and from the International Space Station.Orion is expected to make its first manned flight by 2014, four years after NASA's three operating shuttles are retired. NASA said it hopes for a moon landing by 2020, NASA Constellation and Lockheed Martin engineers have completed the first stage of a realignment of the Orion spacecraft, a process to control mass issues relating to the Lunar capabilities of the vehicle - classed as the most significant issue engineers are currently working on. As Orion and Ares progress towards PDR (Preliminary Design Review) and the next phase of development cycles (DACs), the Altair Project is beginning to seriously study potential configurations for the lunar lander. Hmm this isnt military, and it got funded, , I hope the next presisdent continues this funding, http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/cat.asp?cid=16   Update, If elected President, Senator Barack Obama plans to delay Project Constellation for at least five years, putting the saved money into a new $10-billion-a-year education program that would, in essence, nationalize early-education for children under five years old to prepare them for the rigors of kindergarten and beyond. Why single out the space budget to cut for this program? “NASA is no longer associated with inspiration,” Obama told a campaign rally audience in March. The silence from space advocacy groups in response to this policy, made public in November, has been deafening. As I have discovered in recent weeks, Obama is personally adamant about this approach, if the details of its implementation remain hazy. http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1100/1 So there you have it Ladies, Bush started the funding, and Obama wants to end it, or at least cut it way back,  but Mcain want to continue it, http://www.johnmccain.com/informing/issues/7366faf9-d504-4abc-a889-9c08d601d8ee.htm http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237451 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237451 Update, If elected President, Senator Barack Obama plans to delay Project Constellation for at least five years, putting the saved money into a new $10-billion-a-year education program that would, in essence, nationalize early-education for children under five years old to prepare them for the rigors of kindergarten and beyond. Why single out the space budget to cut for this program? “NASA is no longer associated with inspiration,” Obama told a campaign rally audience in March. The silence from space advocacy groups in response to this policy, made public in November, has been deafening. As I have discovered in recent weeks, Obama is personally adamant about this approach, if the details of its implementation remain hazy. http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1100/1 So there you have it Ladies, Bush started the funding, and Obama wants to end it, or at least cut it way back,  but Mcain want to continue it, http://www.johnmccain.com/informing/issues/7366faf9-d504-4abc-a889-9c08d601d8ee.htm Starbucks1, I think Sparks and I understand which side of the bread the butter is on. *rolls eyes* As I wrote, CEV & Orion are barely being funded year to year. (You do realize what you linked to is what Sparks & I were talking about, right?) There is no long-term commitment to these projects. Going back to the Moon & on to Mars will cost much, much more than what Dubya is willing to admit, or fund. The long-term commitments go to military projects. And Obama has changed his position since stating what you quoted. Believe me, I'm paying attention to this kind of stuff. I don't think you're telling me or Sparks anything we didn't already know. Jeesh.   http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237466 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237466 Starbucks1, I think Sparks and I understand which side of the bread the butter is on. *rolls eyes* As I wrote, CEV & Orion are barely being funded year to year. (You do realize what you linked to is what Sparks & I were talking about, right?) There is no long-term commitment to these projects. Going back to the Moon & on to Mars will cost much, much more than what Dubya is willing to admit, or fund. The long-term commitments go to military projects. And Obama has changed his position since stating what you quoted. Believe me, I'm paying attention to this kind of stuff. I don't think you're telling me or Sparks anything we didn't already know. Jeesh.   Obama keeps changing his mind about NASA?, in one month?,   *rolls eyes*  perhaps you can provide a link to that?, so how much is he going to cut NASA funding?, thats web page was great, it details up to date progress in development  work,  I think NASA is inspirational, unlike Barrack, http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237482 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237482 Obama keeps changing his mind about NASA?, in one month?,   *rolls eyes*  perhaps you can provide a link to that?, so how much is he going to cut NASA funding?, thats web page was great, it details up to date progress in development  work,  I think NASA is inspirational, unlike Barrack, I suggest you go here: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/air_space/4260504.html?series=46 and here: http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2008/04/24/mccain-obama-and-clinton-on-nasa/ to find out why you're wrong about McCain, and what Obama & Clinton are really saying right now about our space program. As I said, we really don't know & won't know until we see the first budget after the election. It's clear none of the candidates feel we can afford to be generous with NASA, it's just a question of where their priorities fall.   http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237522 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237522 I suggest you go here: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/air_space/4260504.html?series=46 and here: http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2008/04/24/mccain-obama-and-clinton-on-nasa/ to find out why you're wrong about McCain, and what Obama & Clinton are really saying right now about our space program. As I said, we really don't know & won't know until we see the first budget after the election. It's clear none of the candidates feel we can afford to be generous with NASA, it's just a question of where their priorities fall.   Indeed I do know where our bread and butter comes from.   Well, I would vote for you Starbucks for my own selfish reasons,  IF you are against the Iraq War, pro Universal Health Care, if you take back the tax cut Bush gave the very rich and focus on helping the middle class, AND if you were for all people living as they want instead of how your Bible tells them to. You see...it's a trade off for me...  I would rather lose our income than for another Bush/McCain to live in the White House. http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237527 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237527 Indeed I do know where our bread and butter comes from.   Well, I would vote for you Starbucks for my own selfish reasons,  IF you are against the Iraq War, pro Universal Health Care, if you take back the tax cut Bush gave the very rich and focus on helping the middle class, AND if you were for all people living as they want instead of how your Bible tells them to. You see...it's a trade off for me...  I would rather lose our income than for another Bush/McCain to live in the White House. Great links you posted here oohchild, Thanks, and Sparks I actually agree with most everything you say, Gee, we cant agree on everything!, I am a live and let live kind of person, but its not my Bible, its everyones who want to learn the good from it, maybe not literally in some parts, but, the Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, type stuff, is all good, http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237763 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237763 Great links you posted here oohchild, Thanks, and Sparks I actually agree with most everything you say, Gee, we cant agree on everything!, I am a live and let live kind of person, but its not my Bible, its everyones who want to learn the good from it, maybe not literally in some parts, but, the Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, type stuff, is all good, Starbucks...  I agree there is good to be learned from the Bible..and some evil.  I read it a couple years ago, and as with all books I read, I take what works for me and I leave the rest.  You should try reading the Dali Lama some time. There is good to learn from his teachings as well.  You don't have to believe everything e.g. reincarnation...  I certainly don't, I think you can learn much good from most spiritual books. Yes, Oochild and I are fully aware of the fact that the Orion space program was not fully funded and takes a back seat to military programs when it comes to funding.  Trust me...when it's your livelihood, you tend to make it your business to know these things. Regardless of political/religious beliefs, I think most would help each other in a time of need.  We wouldn't care about political issues if one of us needed the help of the other.  That's the crazy thing about people, if they disagree with each other, they will kill each other in order to have the world THEIR OWN WAY.   But, if a child of your enemy was abandoned, you would save her, or if your enemy asked for water, while he lay dying, you would give it to him.   Funny how the minds and hearts of people work huh? I simply care about the welfare and the freedom of all Americans, because I have fought to have it MY WAY in the past and it was wrong, I hurt people needlessly, I understand that.   Thus, I hope you are telling me the truth when you say that you Live and let Live.  The world would certainly be a better place if that were true of everyone. http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237806 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_237806 Starbucks...  I agree there is good to be learned from the Bible..and some evil.  I read it a couple years ago, and as with all books I read, I take what works for me and I leave the rest.  You should try reading the Dali Lama some time. There is good to learn from his teachings as well.  You don't have to believe everything e.g. reincarnation...  I certainly don't, I think you can learn much good from most spiritual books. Yes, Oochild and I are fully aware of the fact that the Orion space program was not fully funded and takes a back seat to military programs when it comes to funding.  Trust me...when it's your livelihood, you tend to make it your business to know these things. Regardless of political/religious beliefs, I think most would help each other in a time of need.  We wouldn't care about political issues if one of us needed the help of the other.  That's the crazy thing about people, if they disagree with each other, they will kill each other in order to have the world THEIR OWN WAY.   But, if a child of your enemy was abandoned, you would save her, or if your enemy asked for water, while he lay dying, you would give it to him.   Funny how the minds and hearts of people work huh? I simply care about the welfare and the freedom of all Americans, because I have fought to have it MY WAY in the past and it was wrong, I hurt people needlessly, I understand that.   Thus, I hope you are telling me the truth when you say that you Live and let Live.  The world would certainly be a better place if that were true of everyone. Have you heard the latest about Bobby Jindal? He actually believes in exorcism? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/12/bobby-jindal-faith-healer_n_106716.html Now as an atheist, I have to overlook a lot of mysterious woo-woo when looking at political candidates. I even accept the LDS as electable politicians, even though the whole "Jesus took a detour to North America to visit the Jews" story is a bit much. But I really thought stuff like this would disqualify someone for VEEP. I'd be afraid he'd try to use a Ouija board to decide whether or not to invade Iran! It's not looking too good for Hillary as VEEP. I hope she captures the Senate Majority spot. I think she'd be terrific there!   http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_255900 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_255900 Have you heard the latest about Bobby Jindal? He actually believes in exorcism? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/12/bobby-jindal-faith-healer_n_106716.html Now as an atheist, I have to overlook a lot of mysterious woo-woo when looking at political candidates. I even accept the LDS as electable politicians, even though the whole "Jesus took a detour to North America to visit the Jews" story is a bit much. But I really thought stuff like this would disqualify someone for VEEP. I'd be afraid he'd try to use a Ouija board to decide whether or not to invade Iran! It's not looking too good for Hillary as VEEP. I hope she captures the Senate Majority spot. I think she'd be terrific there!   McCain needs to pick someone young and religious... But bobby Jindal is too you and too religious... Would actually like to see him pick Huckabee, I liked Huckabee's fair tax plan.  Obama can't pick Hillary... You can have your VP on tape saying that she is ready to be President and your Opponent is ready to be president, but Obama has only a speech in 2002.  That was her fault and bad strategy on her part. Who should he pick, Biden would be a good choice if it wasn't for his plagiarism charge (Reason he dropped out of the race in 1980's)  Sam Nunn would be a good choice, as would Jim Webb or Tom Kaine from Virginia.   No matter who they pick, I am voting for Obama.  1. He has supported Air Traffic Controllers while in the Senate. 2. He wants us out of Iraq, and I don't want my brother to have to go back for a third tour. 3. McCain scares me that he doesn;t have command of the basic facts of his area of alleged strengths. 4. This country can't afford even afford one more year of republican leadership.   http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_255978 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_255978 McCain needs to pick someone young and religious... But bobby Jindal is too you and too religious... Would actually like to see him pick Huckabee, I liked Huckabee's fair tax plan.  Obama can't pick Hillary... You can have your VP on tape saying that she is ready to be President and your Opponent is ready to be president, but Obama has only a speech in 2002.  That was her fault and bad strategy on her part. Who should he pick, Biden would be a good choice if it wasn't for his plagiarism charge (Reason he dropped out of the race in 1980's)  Sam Nunn would be a good choice, as would Jim Webb or Tom Kaine from Virginia.   No matter who they pick, I am voting for Obama.  1. He has supported Air Traffic Controllers while in the Senate. 2. He wants us out of Iraq, and I don't want my brother to have to go back for a third tour. 3. McCain scares me that he doesn;t have command of the basic facts of his area of alleged strengths. 4. This country can't afford even afford one more year of republican leadership.   Biden would be good for that position, or Supreme Court Justice.  I just read Tim Russert's last interview, & he says Biden & Lindsay Graham are scheduled for this week's show. He called them both "short list" candidates. I wonder who'll get to host Meet The Press, now? Sad about Tim. Only 58 years old. http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_256114 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_256114 Biden would be good for that position, or Supreme Court Justice.  I just read Tim Russert's last interview, & he says Biden & Lindsay Graham are scheduled for this week's show. He called them both "short list" candidates. I wonder who'll get to host Meet The Press, now? Sad about Tim. Only 58 years old.  “Former Sens. John Edwards and Sam Nunn are on a list of potential running mates for Democrat Barack Obama, a congresswoman said Thursday, one day after she met with the team Obama has reviewing possible candidates." http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/20/1157167.aspx I have been an Edwards supporter for years. I would love an Obama/Edwards ticket! http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_260693 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_260693  “Former Sens. John Edwards and Sam Nunn are on a list of potential running mates for Democrat Barack Obama, a congresswoman said Thursday, one day after she met with the team Obama has reviewing possible candidates." http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/20/1157167.aspx I have been an Edwards supporter for years. I would love an Obama/Edwards ticket! How about Governer Bill Richardson?, shown here with his hand over his heart during the national anthem?,  I think he would be a good choice,   http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_260729 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_260729 How about Governer Bill Richardson?, shown here with his hand over his heart during the national anthem?,  I think he would be a good choice,   Actually, we have friends in NM who are well acquainted with Richardson. From the stories they've told me (they're progressives, too) I don't think he's the right man for the job. I'll just leave it at that. http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_260762 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_260762 Actually, we have friends in NM who are well acquainted with Richardson. From the stories they've told me (they're progressives, too) I don't think he's the right man for the job. I'll just leave it at that. Interesting, Bill richardson was so close to Hillary Clinton,  trying for that VP spot, before he switched to Obama, hmm, maybe people just think he goes along with whoever he thinks can advance his political career, perhaps he is not the best choice, how about Wesley Clark?,  he looks good, I think a military man would help Obama, http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_260778 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_260778 Interesting, Bill richardson was so close to Hillary Clinton,  trying for that VP spot, before he switched to Obama, hmm, maybe people just think he goes along with whoever he thinks can advance his political career, perhaps he is not the best choice, how about Wesley Clark?,  he looks good, I think a military man would help Obama, Yep, I mentioned Clark in my OP. I really like him, too. I had hoped he would run for president this year, but I think he got a taste of what it's like in 2004 & decided it wasn't worth it. http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_260793 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_260793 Yep, I mentioned Clark in my OP. I really like him, too. I had hoped he would run for president this year, but I think he got a taste of what it's like in 2004 & decided it wasn't worth it. While Jindal's name is still being bantered about in certain conservative circles, recent revelations about his beliefs should make anyone reconsider him for the VEEP spot. He's too vulnurable on these issues. First it was the exorcism claim, and how it flies in the face of traditional Catholic doctrine. Now this: http://www.au.org/site/News2?JServSessionIdr009=9jm4wfgm82.app5b&abbr=pr&page=NewsArticle&id=9913&security=1002&news_iv_ctrl=1241 "Gov. Bobby Jindal this week signed the legislation (SB 733), which allows teachers to use “supplemental materials” when discussing evolution. The measure was pushed by the Louisiana Family Forum and the Discovery Institute, two Religious Right groups that advocate creationist concepts, and is widely seen as an effort to water down instruction about evolution. “I am very disappointed that Gov. Jindal signed this unwise and unnecessary measure,” said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, Americans United executive director. “Louisiana has a long and unfortunate history of trying to substitute dogma for science in public school classrooms. Let me state clearly and upfront that any attempts to use this law to sneak religion into public schools through the back door will not be tolerated.” Now I'm hearing some folks throw out Tim Pawlenty's name as a possible running mate for McCain. He's the Governor of Minnesota. Let's see what shakes out of his tree.   http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_264881 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_264881 While Jindal's name is still being bantered about in certain conservative circles, recent revelations about his beliefs should make anyone reconsider him for the VEEP spot. He's too vulnurable on these issues. First it was the exorcism claim, and how it flies in the face of traditional Catholic doctrine. Now this: http://www.au.org/site/News2?JServSessionIdr009=9jm4wfgm82.app5b&abbr=pr&page=NewsArticle&id=9913&security=1002&news_iv_ctrl=1241 "Gov. Bobby Jindal this week signed the legislation (SB 733), which allows teachers to use “supplemental materials” when discussing evolution. The measure was pushed by the Louisiana Family Forum and the Discovery Institute, two Religious Right groups that advocate creationist concepts, and is widely seen as an effort to water down instruction about evolution. “I am very disappointed that Gov. Jindal signed this unwise and unnecessary measure,” said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, Americans United executive director. “Louisiana has a long and unfortunate history of trying to substitute dogma for science in public school classrooms. Let me state clearly and upfront that any attempts to use this law to sneak religion into public schools through the back door will not be tolerated.” Now I'm hearing some folks throw out Tim Pawlenty's name as a possible running mate for McCain. He's the Governor of Minnesota. Let's see what shakes out of his tree.   You guys are great.  When people claim to believe in God, you berate them as hypocrites who only talk without action.  After insisting that you respect the exercise of personal "spirituality", but not "church dogma", you'll often ask the Christian for some personal anecdote that offers "proof" of their beliefs. Then when one relates a detailed, deeply intense religious experience where he was forced to confront the meaning of his faith, he is ridiculed.  Rather than showing respect or even neutral agnosticism, he is attacked and his story held up as evidence of a deranged mind. Of course we know that any similar story told by a Native American and set in a sweat lodge would be treated at least with respect if not as revealed wisdom, but what makes oohchild's response even more ironic is her appeal to the authority of - all things - "traditional Catholic doctrine"!  Great job, Pope Oohchild!  I look forward to your next proclaimation ex cathedra! http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_265075 http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/oohchild/26374/#c_265075 You guys are great.  When people claim to believe in God, you berate them as hypocrites who only talk without action.  After insisting that you respect the exercise of personal "spirituality", but not "church dogma", you'll often ask the Christian for some personal anecdote that offers "proof" of their beliefs. Then when one relates a detailed, deeply intense religious experience where he was forced to confront the meaning of his faith, he is ridiculed.  Rather than showing respect or even neutral agnosticism, he is attacked and his story held up as evidence of a deranged mind. Of course we know that any similar story told by a Native American and set in a sweat lodge would be treated at least with respect if not as revealed wisdom, but what makes oohchild's response even more ironic is her appeal to the authority of - all things - "traditional Catholic doctrine"!  Great job, Pope Oohchild!  I look forward to your next proclaimation ex cathedra!