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Why, thank you weebles! LOL!!

I think $90.00 was the highest I ever paid for a haircut. I actually just heard of his pricey hairdo and read or heard that he promised not to do it again. :o)

madkow, if you're nuts, you're in good company!!!

I think Edwards continuing to campaign after his wife's illness would bother me if I hadn't seen so many of the speeches and talks she's given since her was diagnosed. She is truly an amazing woman and has repeatedly supported her husband. If you've never seen her in action, check her out...
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And as for the $300 hair cut...well, I suppose I have to come clean. I've had a $250 hair cut on a couple of occasions, and being focused on that is just what I was talking about earlier. Folks have been told that his hair cut should be an issue so that they don't pay attention to what he has to say. JMHO.

And joty, should you ever decide to apply for Queen of the World, you can list me as a character reference.

madkow, I thinks thats the cleverest thing you have ever posted,,,:) I like it!

You know, Joty, that's a better way to put it.  I couldn't quite put my finger on why I dislike Edwards so much, but I think you got it exactly.  I don't respect him, at all.  (And he isn't pretty, haha!!  He looks like a schmuk!) 
As much as I dislike what Obama says, I do have some respect for him as a person (from what I know of him).  Respect for Hillary?  A little, but not a lot.  I respect the fact that she's a damn smart woman and she has done quite a bit with her life.

I don't so much care who gets in this November because I think the country will be fine regardless.  I'm a big believer in the pendulum effect.  Lately I've been developing this "bar theory" to figure out what I think of politicians.  If I met Edwards in a bar, I'd pay my bill and leave without even finishing my drink.  If I met Bush, I'd kick my feet up, tell some dirty jokes, and sneak away when I got bored.  If I met Bill Clinton, I'd hang out drinking martinis, and give him a fake phone number when I leave.  If I met McCain, I'd let him down a few beers, listen to a few war stories, then sneak away.  If I met Obama, I'd listen to him tell some funny stories, but if he started on politics, I'd excuse myself to the little girls room and sneak out the back.  I can't figure out Hillary, I think because I can't see her hanging out at a bar.
OK, I think I really am going nuts if I actually think about people this way...  Joty- go be queen so I don't have to think!!

I'm so tired of the f**king media. I hope they all like the taste of crow...

Hillary is beat up and accused of acting like a man, then she gets beat up and accused of acting like a woman. But she got the last laugh in NH didn't she?

I lost all respect for Edwards when he chose to continue his campaign when his wife became ill. Oh yeah, and his $300.00 haircut, lol. madkow, he is a pretty boy...does that work for him or against him? 

I'm telling you guys, I should be Queen of the World!!!

I can't vote for someone who I feel lacks integrity and who cannot unite this country, Hillary is too polarizing a figure, over half the country will not vote for her. she is a divider, and we don't need that, also, news flash, Kerry is supporting Obama, ouch, that's gotta hurt,     http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080110/ap_po/obama_kerry

I have to vote on the issues that are important to me, national health care, the war in Iraq, our national debt, budget, and the over powering bigotry coming from the Republican side.  I have no choice but to vote for a Democrat because of these issues. And, if the truth be known, Hillary is bringing Bill with her, and he can get us back into the black, he has gotten out of the red before. Hillary has always wanted health care for everyone.. meaning mostly the middle class who are the only ones actually suffering today.   I don't care about baggage, I want the issues I care about dealt with.  Therefore Hillary is the best choice I can make since my boy Edwards doesn't stand a chance.  

Vader, I'll try to break it down for you, I am in agreement with all the other people here who don't like Hillary for all the reasons they listed, such as weebles said, I don't like just two families in power for so long, and other people said, I don't trust her, I think shes fake and a liar. but , I also believe all the Facts written about her in many books and the many people who have been around her for years who tell what she is really like, not the warm caring person they are trying to create in the media now. Hillary claims she is running on her experience and her record, well, part of that record is alot of corruption. it's part of her, and if people are in denial of that, then they are only lying to themselves. I choose to believe the truth.so, lets give somebody else a chance at the White house and see how they do.

Madkow thanks for answering my question. Bad vibes and act like a creep is something that i understand, A while back i and a co worker was having a discussion about Bush. I told him that when Bush would smile and  hold up his thumb as he squinted  at the TV camera i felt that Bush was lieing. My Friend was surprised because he thought when Bush did all that smiling and squinting stuff that Bush was being sincere lol. It's funny how two people can sometimes see two different things.

Gube- they just look and act like creeps :)  I don't know, bad vibes, a general sense of hypocrisy and untrustworthiness, something along those lines.  Plus I really don't like what either has to say.  And I hate that everyone says that Edwards is handsome because I think he's hideous (ooh, low blow!).  The only thing I think is interesting about McCain is his military record.

When I watch news on TV I usually watch either BBC, CNN, or some French news program (it has subtitles!).  As I mentioned in a previous post, I am sometimes forced to watch FOX News, and I cringe then entire time unless it's Cavuto, who I don't mind listening to.  I read from LiveScience sometimes too.  I like health news a lot for some reason.  Kinda weird.

Vader- I was an HComm in college too :)

I'm here for a discussion Weebles, unfortunatly an anti-Hillary poster is incapable of discussing anything substantial.  I get my information by various sources.  Television news sources (MSNBC, Fox News, CNN, ABC, CBS), newspapers, VALID websites, radio (NPR, KFI), Friends, Family, Books, Magazines, (Time, Newsweek, Rollingstone).  Worked for a number of LA radio stations.  Makes a living on Marketing and Media research.  Plus I went to college, studied Communication. Studied how the Media Machine gathers and distributes information.  Who owns different media outlets.  Studied the art of persusion, debate, propadanda, marketing and rhetoric.  Also took coarses in Polictical Science and Religious studies so I could develope my own opinions and make sense of all of the messages we receive on a daily basis.

I'll address the corruption that was posted by someone else and you cut and pasted Starbucks.  What was listed has NOTHING to do with Hillary Clinton's candidacy for president.  What you listed has to do with BILL CLINTONS administration.  Who are individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton Machine?  What are the crimes they plead guilty to? Who fled the country and pleaded the 5^th amendment?  And to what charges were they being indicted of?    Did Hillary plead guilty to anything on this list? No.  What does Al Gore’s fundraising or Clinton/Gore fundraising have to do with Hillary Clinton?  None of this is substantial information that indicates that  Hillary Clinton can not be a good candidate for president.

Madkow why do you despise McCain and Edwards?

O.K., folks, separate corners. I'm looking for discussions, not fights :o)

Sounds like a few of you follow politics pretty regularly. Where do you get your news? I've mentioned a few of mine; MSNBC, Fox, CNN, CSPAN.  I also read a bunch of web sites, like the BBC News site and OneWorld.net to get more of a global perspective on our process.

Where do you find the facts that form your opinion?

Sure I will Joty, with people who are not in denial of facts, why should I waste my time with them? address all the corruption I listed already, then I will respond,,,,

lol Vader, you said it much better than I could. Starbucks will not answer questions or debate.

I'll help Starbucks.  I don't believe Hillary Clinton is the best candidate because her style of politcs is getting us no where.  She's a very polarizing figure and we need a President who is going to unite the people.  A person that can help Americans realize that they agree on 80% of the issues.  Hillary tends to say what people want hear and she's very shrewd.  With that in mind I'm not sure she has the credibility to persuade those that disagree with her to come to a compromise.  There Starbucks, I got you started.  Let's see if you can come up with something.

Starbucks you haven't discussed anything.  You're copying and pasting other people's words.  Most of that "investigative" reporting has turned up NOTHING! Hillary is guilty of NOTHING!  After all that was said and done in regards to BILL Clinton's administration NOTHING HAPPENED!  And that was after an extensive investigation by an INDEPENDENT COUNCIL WITH REPUBLICAN TIES!  I want to have a discussion with someone who can articulate a genuine criticism of HilLary Clinton in their own words.  What I'm finding is your typical rhetoric from a person that doesn't appear to have the ability to form their own opinion.

Vader, you appear to fall into the catagory of one who is in denial of facts about Hillary, so, if you choose not to believe all the facts about her, why should I go further with discussing her with you?

Man, I stepped away to get some work done and look what happened :o)

For the record, I don't dislike Hillary. I find her a strong and capable woman. But I won't vote for her unless I have to. Why? Because I don't think that having just two families in power for over 20+ years is good for the country as a whole. That's it. No rhetoric, no dogma. I just don't think it's right.

Of course, my guy stands no shot of getting elected. In the primary, I will be throwing my support towards Edwards. Just about every ill we currently have as a society can be traced back to the fact that there are giant corporations that own almost everything we see, hear and read. Loss of jobs? Check. Quality of goods? Check. Medical care? Check. Cost of utilities? Check.

A tiny percentage of the American population have nearly all of the wealth and the overwhelming majority of us are struggling to get by. And we're told by these corporations that it's our fault. Or worse yet, the ubiquitous their fault, whoever they are.

And in the meantime, these same companies prey on the fears of Americans by drumming up scenario after scenario designed to cause division and angst among us, the citizens of this country, so they can continue robbing us blind while we fight amongst ourselves over some of least important things in the world. Just the way the billionaires want it.

My guy's not going to win, but I'm giving him my vote for having the courage to try.

By the way, Starbucks is cutting and pasting information collected over the years by an Independent Journalist Sam Smith.  I don't know what his agenda is if there is any, but much of the information is publicly know by both Clinton adversaries and supporters.  What I think of it?  It's politics as usual, and Hillary Clinton is one good politician!

Starbucks are you serious?  That's your source? You haven't articulated in your own words what the Clintons are guilty of.  What I read there was a number facets that were a result of the Ken Starr investigation.  Come on man, I thought you were going to come at me with something substantial.  I want your voice.  Articulate a real criticism of Hillary Clinton.  Don't use "Internet" research.  Use your own voice.  I'm waiting...

Ok Vader, this took me all of 10 seconds to find online, I typed in Clinton Corruption on Google,

The Clintons, to adapt a line from Dr. Johnson, were not only corrupt, they were the cause of corruption in others. Yet seldom in America have so many come to excuse so much mendacity and malfeasance as during the Clinton years. Here are some of the facts that have been buried.

 The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122

As of June 2000, the Justice Department listed 25 people indicted and 19 convicted because of the 1996 Clinton-Gore fundraising scandals.
- According to the House Committee on Government Reform in September 2000, 79 House and Senate witnesses asserted the Fifth Amendment in the course of investigations into Gore's last fundraising campaign.
-James Riady entered a plea agreement to pay an $8.5 million fine for campaign finance crimes. This was a record under campaign finance laws.

And on and on and on,,,,,,http://prorev.com/legacy.htm

Thank you for the compliment Gillfish.  I'm not saying Clinton is not without scandal, what politician isn't?  Starbucks is saying Clinton is "Guilty of Corruption."  That's news to me.

Hillary has had my vote from day one. Vadar you are very funny. I loved your comebacks awhile back regarding God. Hillary did have some scandal years ago regarding a company she owned or was partners in if my very short memory is correct. Still, I believe all politicians have something in their closet. Don't we all. OK Weebles-who ya voting for??

Starbucks, you haven't answered my question.  I want to know.  You tell me.  I want to see if you're educated on this matter or if you're just falling in line with anti-Clinton dogma or rhetoric.  I want to hear your voice.

 Starbucks I don't put to much faith in polls.After last nights results i think a lot of people will be questioning polls. My gut tell me that Hillary has her work cut out for her self. Its between Hillary and Obama, It will be fun to watch.

I'm not voting for Hillary in the primary, but I do find it funny how all of the "Experts" and "Pollsters" were writing her off after Iowa.  She's proved time and again that she's a fighter and a crafty politician.  I admire that she doesn't back down and outside of Obama, I don't see any other candidate that has her political nerve or savvy.  If she wins the Democratic nomination, I will not have a problem voting for her.

No dancing here Joty, I do not know who I will vote for, but, it will certanly not be someone who says they will raise my taxes as soon as they get elected., but, I do think Obama is a great speaker, and may be a good choice, something new, why not try it?

Vader would like to know "what type of corruption the Clintons are guilty of", good lord man, have you been in a cave since 1990?,

search the net Vader, there is plenty out there,,,,,,,,then again, if you are just in denial of the facts, then whats the point?

You should be a politician SB, you sure can dance around a question. Colin and Arnold are not candidates. And I'm still waiting for the name of a politician who hasn't been touched by scandal and/or corruption. And why are you bashing just Ms. Clinton if you don't like any of the current candidates?

If Obama is the nominated candidate, I will more than likely throw my support to him although he is too young and green for my tastes.

But in the long run, popular vote isn't what wins the election, remember Bush vs. Gore?

Starbucks I googled stop Hillary and I got stophillary.com.  I didn't find anything that was substantial in it's rhetoric.  I was looking for some concrete facts about how corrupt she is.  Oh and any website that carries the disclaimer, "We don't hate women, African Americans, or People of Color..." loses major credibilty points.

The poll by Mason-Dixon Polling and Research found that 52 percent of Americans wouldn’t consider voting for Clinton, D-N.Y. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, a Republican, was second in the can’t-stand-’em category, with 46 percent saying they wouldn’t consider voting for him.

Clinton has long been considered a politically polarizing figure who would be a tough sell to some voters, especially many men, but also Clinton-haters of both genders.

Thursday’s survey provides a snapshot of the challenges she faces, according to Larry Harris, a Mason-Dixon principal.

“Hillary’s carrying a lot of baggage,” he said. “She’s the only one that has a majority who say they can’t vote for her.”

Clinton rang up high negatives across the board, with 60 percent of independents, 56 percent of men, 47 percent of women and 88 percent of Republicans saying they wouldn’t consider voting for her.

and Madkow,  thanks for joining in, but, be careful talking against Hillary here, you see what happens, all of a sudden your are afraid of strong women, and they are Bitches in all mens eyes, and on and on,,,,oh brother, what nonsense. its about her everyone, not all women!

http://www.againsthillary.com/2007/06/29/americans-against-hillary-more-than-half-wont-vote-for-hillary/

I would like to know starbucks what type of corruption the Clintons are guilty of?  From what I understand Ken Starr spent Millions of Dollars for a number of years investigating Whitewater and the only thing he came up with was Bill lied about his innapropriate behavior with Monica Lewinsky.  Sounds like a lot of time and money was wasted. 

Starbucks where did you come up with half the country doesn't like Hillary. I hope it was not the same polls that said Obama was going to win NH by double digits.lol

I'll be really happy if Obama beats Hillary if just for the fact that he's so much nicer to listen to.  He's a good speaker and he doesn't have the baggage that Hillary has.  I don't like what either of them wants to do if elected, but I think he'd be more interesting at least.  (And I'm sooooo sad that McCain won- I don't know who I despise more, McCain or Edwards!)

I can't vote in primaries- so you guys have to give me a decent selection for the big day!!!  lol!

I did answer who I would vote for once, but for you joty, I will say it again, I don't like any candidate right now, my idea of a good candidate would be Colin Powell. if there were a good Democrat, I would have no problem voting for him, or her, if Arnold had been Democrat, he still would have gotten my vote, I tried talking issues here once, but I more than anyone realize this is a very Liberal Blog, most of you are just in denial of the corruption of the Clinton's and will keep your blinders on, that's fine, not a good way to go thru life, in my opinion, but its your choice,  it's very easy to find fault with Hillary's past, there is just so much of it, type stop Hillary in google and see what you get. I admire Sparks for watching all the news shows, and not just MSNBC or CNN, that's what I do, get everyones view, not just Fox. Remember, over half the country does not like Hillary, and for good reason, I am in good company.

Yay!!!!  Hillary won New Hampshire!!!   I'm like you Weebles, I watch every news channel I can, conservative and liberal.  I also have not missed a debate.   Certainly I will vote for a Democrat, but I like to know what's going on all around.

I do

gube, I agree. All Starbucks can do is bash Hillary. Why? I find it funny that he will not answer your question (and you've asked several times) about who he supports or will vote for. Why? He doesn't seem very mature, posting unflattering pictures of her and calling her names. I don't support Obama, but I see no reason to bash, I prefer to debate his pros and cons. I've even taken to task several of my friends and family members who email that bullshit email about him being a Muslin.

Starbucks - name one politician that hasn't been touched by corruption or scandal. Why aren't you trying to convince voters that they shouldn't vote for Hillary with real arguements instead of your vague statements and namecalling?

I didn't say men hate strong women, I said they fear them.

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Starbucks its obvious that you are afraid of Hillary. Its pretty sad when the Republicans feel they need to tell everyone why we need to be scared of the demarcates instead of telling  everybody why we should vote for a Republican. So Starbucks who are you voting for and why?

The Hildabeast sqeaked by in NH, she was up by double digits, what happened?, lets see how the other states go, I dont know why you Clinton lovers always go to men hate strong women, thats not the point at all, it's her history, so much scandal and corruption, do you really believe a word she says?,  she still polls across the country that half of all americans will not vote for her no matter what, are all these people afraid of strong women?, no, they just know the truth, something many of you are in denial of.and its not just Fox that bashes Hillary, i've seen it everywhere, Chris Matthews had counted her out.

 

Hillary win I'm New Hampshire made me smile. People counted her out and thought she was toast after her third place finish in Iowa. The media puts to much emphasis on these on these early elections. Hillary's win upset alot of Clinton haters who can't stand looking at her. and i think that's funny. There is a long way to go and it is interesting to watch all the shows on FOX as they bash Hillary.

"...the most corrupt politician I have ever seen in my life,..."  you must be awfully young.

Yeah, strong women are always bitches in a man's eyes...

GO Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crash and burn? She just won New Hampshire.

It is so nice to see Hillary crash and burn, but encouraging to see the country come to its senses about her. Like Charleybyrd said,

"Hillary, I don't like her, i think she is a B------ , a shrew, and who knows what else", I know what else, the most corrupt politician I have ever seen in my life, hands down, if you can't see that, then you are either uninformed, or in complete denial.

I've been staying with my parents for the past few days and have had no choice but to watch the political ramblings in all their glory.  I was even forced to watch Bill O'Reilly show off just what a paranoid, cantankerous old man he really is.  (My parents watch Fox News whenever they're not watching Fox Business News...  uugh, just shoot me already!!!)

It is somewhat exciting- I'm very curious about the NH vote today.  The Iowa results were amazing.  I mean, c'mon, Huckabee??  And I love that Obama beat Hillary!  Those are the two I'm most curious about.  I don't think there's much of a chance of a Republican getting elected, so I'm mostly just paying attention to the Democrats.  Black president versus woman president!  That's exciting!

I don't really have the fever, but i am watching it all very closely because i don't think we have any great choices.                                       If i were republican i would want Mc Cain because i think he is very direct and no nonsense, also he is experianced and probably respected, but i don't want him because i think he would only be a continuation of George W. only with a brain.

Guillianni would never cut it on the world diplomacy. I'm afraid of Edwards, Huccabee, and Rommney because of their too out spokeness of religion.

Obama would probably make a good president, but maybe not because of his lack of experiance. This leaves Hillary, I don't like her, i think she is a B------ , a shrew, and who knows what else, but i believe Margeret Thacher was all that too and she was a woman the world didn't mess with and was good for G.B. I think Hillary will be the same, I hope she becomes our next president 

I feel bad... I had breakfast with some ladies from church this morning and they were discussing some of the candidates. I only recognized a couple of names!  I agree with TK - I will start investing my time once they choose the "finalists". Weebles, I used to think it did not matter who was elected... that it really didn't effect me.  But the older I get, the more I am realizing how the important issues really do directly impact our lives.  Kinda scary.  I guess maybe I should be paying more attention!

Nope.  I'm waiting for the two political parties to decide who they're putting up before I invest my time in the candidates.