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Low Taxes Expand Business and thereby increase jobs. High Taxes Reduce Business and thereby decrease jobs. The Democrat voter and politician obviously do not know enough to realize this.

Mandolin, What do you think of people who take money from others through a socialist government?

You can call me Awful Canawful.

Jim -- wow!  I know a lot of people around Tehachapi, but I sincerely hope I don't know you.  I can't think we could possibly frequent the same venues. Your vile, bilious bloviations give Freedom of Speech a bad name.

Definition Of White Supremacist:  Men and women who want to prevent the Democrat party and it's parasite voting block from stealing their hard earned money.

Fox "Culture Warriors" Accept Sodomy; Gretchen Carlson and Margaret Hoover said the homosexual act is acceptable to them.They said that today on the Oreilly Factor. Picture them promoting this perversion to your children and grandchildren. Children today don't have much of a chance to have a sound mind. That's why you have to take charge. And don't let the degenerates in the white house destroy the military's reputation.

Fair and balanced guest appearances should not include perverts.

Communists' Gold Mines- The top 3 gold mines to finance Communism is your taxes, Hollywood, and corporations that support the Democrat party. The solutions:  Vote for people who don't believe in dependency on government, don't pay for movies, and don't buy products from corporations which support the Democrat party. Let's do some boycotting of our own.

Asians don't whine about the white man because they have better things to do, like becoming independent and successful. Communist BS doesn't work on them here in the US.

Barack's Economic BS-     Until you see major tax cuts and decrease in the size of government, you are being fed lies about the economy improving. Barack is a lying machine.

Barack Needs Voters For Communism. That is the only reason he wants an "immigration overhaul". Illegal immigrants come to America because they voted for Socialists and Communists in South American countries and destroyed those countries' economies. Now they are here ready to vote for Communism which will destroy America. If illegal aliens voted for freedom from Communism, Barack and the Dems would be against them. Someone convince me this isn't true.

Blacks, Hispanics, Whites Enslave Themselves:  About 90% of black people, 70% of Hispanics, and 50% of Whites will vote to enslave themselves to a  totalitarian Communist government and thereby destroy their chances to be prosperous in life. All the Communists have to do to enslave them is offer them someone else's money through government. The slaves then can't wait to vote for their own slavery. This Communist power tactic has worked around the world and is currently in use by Barack and the Democrat party.

Smiling Communists-  Have you been suckered in by the O So Sweet smiling Socialists/Communists, such as Barack, who deceptively call themselves Progressives and promise you the world? Your money supply has dwindled, hasn't it. The temptation to take money from others through government doesn't pay off.

From now on please vote for those who will lower taxes and reduce the size of government, so business and your money supply can expand.

I understand your frustration Jim.  It is hard to believe that there are so many inept people out there that actually believe that government should provide them a living, healthcare etc.  What they don't understand is that there is a price for freedom.  Our forefathers, settlers, and servicemen sacraficed everything to just have freedom from a controlling government.  Yes, even if it meant going without healthcare.  This whole healthcare sham was created by insurance lobbyists.  Take out the insurance freaks altogether and you will see affordable, down to earth healthcare. 

So these people who accept immorrality as being okay are just people who were corrupted by this government through the public education system.  They don't know any better than to be slaves for  the government who provides them with a substandard lifestyle.  They are the ones who refused to learn history and it shows because they are repeating exactly the same events that took place in 1930's Germany and think that it is ok.  If they were living amongst Hitler and the third Reich movement, they would hold Hitler up high on a pedestal and think he is an outstanding person, just like they do with Obama.  These are the same people who were taught that our country is a democracy, which of course is false.  We are a REPUBLIC!!!!  Again, I understand your frustration.

Another broken record liberal making ridiculous accusations. Anyone who corrupts children should be prevented from doing so.

Big business creates jobs and needs the population to make a good living so they can buy the products of big business. The Democrat party selectively criticizes big business as part of their effort to parasite on those who produce in order to buy a majority parasite voting block.  I'll opt for big business over the perverted, child corrupting, parasitic, Communist, Democrat party.

Please answer this question- Do you really believe your ancestor was an ape or gorilla?

Jimbo. You're sure a piece of work.  Do all chistians hate as robustly as you do?  Men are lesbians trapped in a man's body. What's the difference between a man doing perverted things with a woman or a woman pleasuring herself with another woman and ditto for men?   Just curious. Are you equally outraged by priests and clergy raping young  boys?... protected by popes and archbishops to hide the rampant pedophilia, all in the name of God and goodness. Those experiences haunt their victims for the rest of their lives.  You don't act any differently than other types of sociopaths.  Don't just read a bible, start living it.

It's unAmercian to attempt to incite hate into fellow citizens against our President.  The majority of the sovereign people voted for him. Point your disgust where it belongs- our crooked poiticians in collusion with the self proclaimed elite and international corporations.  Could it be that they are at war with the sovereign people and are commiting treason, perhaps?

Wow, Jim, you're a very confused person.  Man evolved from apes and gorillas.  For someone believing in religion, you are sure angry and selective about who is in and who is out of god's favor. 

First, men are nothing more than lesbians trapped in a man's body. That's a funny.  Not funny at all are the number of priests raping male children.  Women don't rape other women but plenty of men do. They use date rape drugs, alcohol and drugs to achieve their end goal of getting themselves off.  It's amazing how many people like you read the bible but don't live the teachings.

The majority of Americans voted for President Obama and it is disrespectful, inaccurate, racist and un American to be non supportive of the person that leads our country.  If you want to play the blame game, blame the government and big business that are in collusion in a war against the sovereign people (not lesbians).  Check your monthly medical premium.  Mine was $2740/mo for 2 adults.  And, it's incomprehensible that anyone is so thick they are loyal to politicians and international corporations.

Barack's Communist "Supreme" Court pick:

Barack's requirements for a "Supreme" Court nominee:

1. Must approve of much higher taxes of all kinds, spending programs which are bankrupting the entire united States, and much larger, much more tyrannical government.

2. Must approve of simulated child pornography and homosexual sodomy just like his current favorites on the "Supreme Court".

3. Must approve of cancelling your traditional protections under the Constitution of the United States, just like his current favorites on the "Supreme Court".

Barack lies more than any President in history, so expect constant BS from him and his pals.

StarRider,

What intelligence created your ability to learn and understand?

What intelligence knows what a thought is made of so it can be created in your mind?

The Bible talks about various spiritual forces including God who offer various thoughts in your mind. What is your explanation? Tell us in detail what you think creates a thought in every sense of the word create.

Did you check out the video, "Was Jesus a Liar, Lunatic, Legend, or God?" Courtroom grade proof is shown for the resurrection, miracles, and perfect life of Christ.

Tell us what you think "free will" is. Your so called free will is limited to the thoughts that are offered up in your mind.

Do you want to try to make a case for being in waste matter, and that it is an OK influence on children?

As we all know, thoughts can change. For instance many people who were involved in perversion and crime will tell you that God changed their thoughts when they were willing to repent. This includes the perversion of homosexuality. Homosexuality is a collection of wrong thoughts.

Watch the thoughts in your mind and you will eventually see that other intelligence is offering those thoughts in your mind. I guarantee it.

I was only about half way through the comments (and yeah it is a bit confusing reading from the bottom up, but in time It will become second nature) That being out of the way, my apologies if I repeat comments previously stated, my apologies if I ask a previously answered question, granted this blog seems more of a forum for religious opinions. Then again it's my opinion that when it comes down to beliefs one has no ability to prove them. A wise religious leader once explained to me the difference between a Truth and a Belief. A truth is something you have PERSONALLY experienced there for it is a truth (I touch a flame and it IS hot, that to me is a truth) A belief is something you are told, (The flame is hot) I have not touched the flame myself, there for I'm taking your WORD for it that it is hot. My point being individuals have different truths which depends upon their experiences their thoughts.

If thoughts are NOT formed in the mind, how then is it possible for each individual to have different truths. If God creates out thoughts we than should all have the same truths and beliefs, regardless the church would just LOVE that. It is an impossibility, illogical and impossible. The key word is logic, an aspect which is void in Dogma. The human mind is one of the last great enigma, a last great frontier. 

What I would LIKE to write is my personal views on organized religion, granted I'm sure some of you by now have your own conclusions. 

Jim you have completely thrown out all LOGICAL PROOF of environment, culture, sociological and many more aspect which contribute to the though processes of the human mind. As for homosexuality, do you really honestly, and logically believe what you are typing? Don't answer that, it's ridicules for me to even put that in the form of a question. Homosexuality is NOT a choice, you don't chose WHO you love, it's an emotion and a beautiful one at that and while I do NOT condone any sexual activity around children, homosexual or heterosexual. As for my child being around people who love each other unconditionally, what a gift to give a wonderful lesson to learn. Are you aware that ONLY humanity puts conditions on love, all the other beings on this planet love unconditionally, including children, it is because of us adults that they LOSE what they are born with along with innocence. If god created us to love unconditionally, tell me than WHY it changes?

The bible states repetitively on the innocence of children, yet you claim a child can be born evil, if god created us why than would he create anything evil at all, let alone an innocent? A child is a gift from god, why would god who purposely create something innocent only to torment and taint that innocence with evil? God possesses nothing evil, he is pure love, how than CAN he even create evil? 

This blog is truly frightening, I'm astounded that someone can actually believe or think this manner. I find this type of though process, confusing and dumbfounding, why would someone want to subscribe to a though process such as this? God gave us free will, why than would he create a religion that controls and tells you what to think even when it is against the Logic he gave you when he created you? 

Sorry I have lost my train of though to many times to continue on, between the medication and the drama of life, my mind went vacant 

Peace out 

CREATING POVERTY AND SLUMS IN AMERICA

THE DUMB PARASITE VOTER IS DESTROYING AMERICA AND THEMSELVES

Democrats created America's slums with their Communist economic policies. Here's how it works: The Democrat Communists are primarily interested in power. The standard Communist tactic is to create a majority voting block by offering other people's money to a corrupted, mindless voting block for such things as health care freebees. They corrupt the population with sex images and anti Christian propaganda. Hollywood has that job in the U.S. using TV and movies. Once the population is sufficiently corrupted, they will vote for govt handouts and Communism because they are too blind to see that they will be enslaved by the Communist government. Eventually business goes bankrupt due to high taxes to pay for the Communist voting block. This creates unemployment and many more dependents for the Communist government, and this is how poverty and slums are created.

THE SOLUTION: Make it possible for responsible Americans to drop out of the govt benefit program so our taxes can't be used to pay for the Democrats' welfare voting block.

If you end up in a bad place in the afterlife, you can't say you weren't warned.

I'm picturing you trying to explain to God that it's ok to spend time in waste matter.

Jim,

Nice argument (sarcasm). Thankfully not everyone (if anyone) listens to what you say, because you make no sense.

I think parents and the police should keep an eye on you.

Jim,

Your argument is as follows if im not mistaken

Conclusion(1) Perversion is harmful to those engaging in perversion

Conclusion(2)Perversion is harmful to all impressionable minds

Conclusion(3)Therefore perversion is possession and bondage.

Problems:

All three of these are conclusions without any premises to back them up. Therefore they are taken merely as seperate statements with no proof. All of these are on the same subject, however theres nothing that links them together, or makes one follow the other.

Perversion is harmful to those engaging in perversion, and harmful to all impressionable minds. Perversion is possession and bondage.

-Jim

 Jim,

Agreed, but you said nothing about arguing for the sake of an opinion to be considered true or false. You were referring to the Government, parents, and "patriotic Americans" acting out of duty. 

We may interfere with an adults liberty only when his/her exercise of that liberty harms or risks harming others. We may not interfere with a rational adults liberty even when he/she harms or risks harming him/herself. Independence of each rational adult is absolute until it harms or risks harming others. For human beings have much greater to gain by allowing each other to live according to what each one believes is good for him/her, than by compelling each to live as seems good to the rest.

-John Stuart Mill 

Iguerral,

When you argue, that isn't opinion policing. When someone disagrees with you, that is opinion policing.

Jim,

All of those stunt intellectual growth. Maybe thats what you want, it wouldnt surprise me.

Parents have a duty to be opinion police to protect their children.

Patriotic Americans have a duty to be opinion police when their country is being undermined.

Government has a duty to be opinion police when it will prevent criminal activity.

Debaters are opinion police.

Jim,

Your missing the point of freedom and liberty of speech and opinion. There can be no such thing as the opinion police.

If an opinion isn't a destructive lie, I'm all for it.

Jim,

Im tired of wasting time on this pointless debate. Theres obviously no convincing either one of us of the others point of view, so have a nice life.

I'll leave you with a response to your last  comment.

If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.

The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error.

If you work twice as hard and receive twice as much in return, you don't owe part of it to someone who works half as much.  Communists try to make you believe you do. Communists try to create parasitical people who want to take from others and  blame the others for not giving it to them. It's been very successful around the world, and they would like to create a majority parasitical voting block here. Parasitical means taking from others when you could provide for yourself.

I am absolutely certain about the miracle I saw. You haven't seen a miracle and dont want to believe there are any.  Thousands of people claim to have had or seen healing miracles.There is sufficient first hand knowledge in the Bible of the miracles of Jesus Christ. Life is a miracle.The most likely universe would contain nothing at all.

Tell us what started electrons spinning in all atoms that make up matter and living things.

Will you spend the rest of your life fiercely defending being in waste matter?

When America was a nation of communities of people who left their house doors open when they went somewhere, about 50 years ago and before, the majority of people in these commuities were Christians. When the marriage and family success rate was at it's highest, the majority of people participating were Christians. When this country broke away from tyranny in 1776, and established the freest country ever, the majority of people were Christians.

Liberalism has created a cesspool of drug and alcohol addicts, parastic voters, and miserable, possessed people. Slums are created and perpetuated by Communism minded Democrats who bankrupt businesses and leave everyone worse off.

You can either have God's direction in your mind, or something evil. Maybe someday you will know the difference.

Jim,

Do I watch TV? no, not a lot, because TV is mostly biased in some direction, I typically get my news from NPR.

Im sure you know that all politicians lie, not just Barack Obama. The difference in the Communist party backing a candidate or not is dependent on which candidate does more, or says they will do more, to help the majority of people (proletariat), not the minority (bourgeoisie). Which should tell you something about the Republican party right off the bat. Why you think that Communism is bad I do not know. Because of the past failed Communist governments? Indeed Communism can't work, but only because of a lack of virtue in the people. What I mean is that the ultimate goal of Communism is for equality to all. People expect to get more than others for their work, instead of doing the work for the sake of helping others. This expectance of a reward will lead to lazyness if not granted. Not only that but the greed for one person or a group of persons naturally arises, and will lead eventually to the few controlling the majority again, in an endless cycle. However all of these problems stem from peoples own greed, and not from Communism. The basic concept of Communism is a good one.

I remember you saying that I was too quick to dismiss miracles, perhaps your too quick to accept them. I would ask you to challenge all your beliefs till you find they are absolutely certain.

The fact that someone is in favor of teaching homosexuality does not make them a homosexual, so I dont know how your drawing these conclusions. The bible is an archaic form of ethics, and as im sure you know (or maybe you dont) our ideas of ethics have evolved substantially. The bible tells you to go against natural laws, one of these being homosexuality. Since you say that God created everything, including animals, and certain animals in the animal kingdom can be homosexual, and since its a proven fact that humans evolved from animals then by nature there have always been homosexuals animals created by God. Moreover, the fact that we evolved, and the fact that animals have no known recognition of a God, proves that the recognition of God must have come after man developed a higher brain power to contemplate God. Religion, I will repeat again, Is a man made invention. You still havent answered my qusetion as to how it is you first began believing in Christianity. Have you challenged it at all? or did you just grow up accepting it by your parents?

As for my "bobbing and weaving and gobbledegook", thats whats called logic, specifically, temporal and modal logic. I'll take the fact that you have no reply to it as evidence that you can't refute it in any way other than by commiting the "Ad Hominen" fallacy. look it up if you dont understand.

Response to the last post:

Barack and Hillary's Pres. campaigns and  promises, other Democrat Pres. candidate's campaigns and promises, and many other Dem politicians campaigns and promises tell the whole story about who supports the Dems.  Do you watch TV?

If God appeared and performed miracles, I think you would find some way to doubt. I witnessed a miracle described in a previous post and it made a believer out of me. Google: miracles of Jesus Christ, real miracles, God's miracles, Earnest Angley ministries miracles, etc.

Your "free will" is limited to the thoughts that are offered in your mind by good or evil. You are only a thought chooser and experiencer.

God's eternal punishment is described in Matthew 25:46, and Mark 9:43.  Matthew 8:12 and 13:42 describe severe punishment.  Matthew 7:13,14  says that only a few will find life.  

Again, are you willing to risk God's eternal punishment to teach homosexuality to high school students?

Your bobbing and weaving and gobbledegook needs some improvement.

Jim,

How specifically, or in what specific example (since the evidence is so overwhelming you should be able to come up with at least 1) is it proven that the Democratic party is the homosexual party and the "Hollywood party"

In response to (3) you merely just restated what you said before. No evidence is given at all. Its fine if you have no answer to the question, but don't preach things you can't defend with factual evidence. (not the bible)

Those websites on google are clearly right winged. Im not sure if you know this or not, but biased information is not evidence.

On somewhat of a sidenote. I watched the video you were referring to, and Im assuming that you accept the existence of God based on the argument given in the video? in other words the Argument from Contingency? I thought you might be intrested in a logical counter argument. It follows like this:

1. If C₁ is the cause of some effect E₁, then C₁ necessitates E₁ (a cause produces its effect, that it what makes it the cause of its effect).
2. So every possible world in which C₁ obtains is a world in which E₁ obtains. [From 1]
3. So the modal status of a cause C₁ of some effect E₁ must be equivalent to, or less than, the modal status of its effect E₁. For suppose that C₁ is contingent, so that it obtains in at least one possible world – then E₁ also obtains in that world and is therefore at least contingent. Suppose that C₁ is necessary, that it obtains in every possible world – then E₁ also obtains in each of those worlds and is necessary. Of course, if C₁ is impossible, than the modal status of C₁ cannot but be equivalent or greater than that of C₁. [From 2]
4. The universe is contingent.
5. So the modal status of any cause of the universe is either contingent or impossible. [From 3 and 4]
6. An impossible cause would be absurd.
7. So the modal status of any cause of the universe is contingent. [From 5 and 6]
8. God is a necessary being.
9. So God is not the cause of the universe. [From 7 and 8]

Sub-Argument for Premise 4
1. The existence of the universe is Yablo-conceivable.
2. The non-existence of the universe is Yablo-conceivable.
3. Yablo-conceivability entails possibility.
4. So both the existence and non-existence of the universe are possible.
5. So the universe is contingent.

In response to your first note. God is not eternal damnation, fire and brimstone. I'll quote the bible here just for you, "God is love." Would I advocate teaching homosexuality in school? yes I would, because as im sure you accept, God has given us free will on the basis that if he deprived us of free will then it is not true love. If we withhold information from children or from anyone for what we think is for their own good its the same concept. I would not deprive a child or anyone of something they wanted to know.

Iguerral,

Are you willing to risk God's eternal punishment to teach homosexuality to high school students?

Responses:
For 1) and 2) the proof is overwhelming if you watch TV (CNN and MSNBC, etc.) and Hollywood movies.

For 3) anyone who dedicates their life to being in waste matter is in fact possessed.

For 4)and 5) Google Communist tactics and propaganda.

Jim,

A response to your first statement.

In order for your statements to have credibility, you must offer proof for the following,

1)Proof that the Democrat party is the homosexual party, and the "Hollywood" party.

2)Proof that the Democrat party (assuming thats what your talking about, because you said "both" when your talking about one party) corrupts children.

3) Proof that homosexuals are possessed

4) Proof that Communists are "loving it." by it im reffering to what you said, "TV and movies are filled with smut and porn and other corrupting influences. Communists are loving it."

5) Evidence that the Communist party would have something to gain from this occuring. One must question your knowledge of Communism, as the basis of Communism is rooted in providing equality for all, and "smut and porn" are irrelivant concerning that goal.

In essence your statement is not an argument just a group of opinions. no proof then no reason to think it true.

You are wrong once more. My assignment isn't to find proof of the existence of other Gods, because I already acknowledge that there is a God, but we cannot know anything about the said God, meaning we cannot know which God it is, only that God exists. Therefore the burden of proof rests on you to prove to me why it is that Christianity is the only correct religion, otherwise you have no proof and your views have nothing to back them up except your opinion.

I didn't state either of those, you inferred those conclusions from what I actually said.

1) that I cannot predict the future

2) that people have the right to do what they want, within reason as long as its not infringing on others rights.

The Democrat party is the homosexual party and the Hollywood party.  Both are the worst corrupters of children. Homosexuals constantly promote sodomy by promoting their possession, and Hollywood constantly promotes corrupting sexual images to the tens of millions of impressionable children watching TV. TV and movies are filled with smut and porn and other corrupting influences. Communists are loving it. Corrupting children as I have stated destroys Christianity. You know that but I doubt if you want to admit it.

Your assignment is to find proof of other Gods and other Jesuses, since you want to believe they exist. You can't present such proof because there isn't any.

You stated that people could someday marry animals and spending time in waste matter is ok. Your credibility is gone.

I'm asking every parent to reject the Democrat party.

Jim,

Im sure you would.

Im pretty sure homosexuals don't want to destroy Chrisitianity, I think they want to not be discriminated against by Christians. It doesnt much matter though anyway because you have no proof for your claim now do you?

I'll begin to watch the video shortly if I can find it.

You say that the fact it takes an intelligent creator to create life is proof of the existence of the God of the Bible?

Why does it have to be the God of the bible, or the Christian God? Because thats not the only God who creates life, just look at the Sumerian Gods, Zeus, the Egyptian God of Ra, the Hindu God Shiva. I'll watch the video, but im sure you could find just as much proof to say that those are as real as the Christian God. So once more what are you reasons (if any) for believing in the Christian God in particular? and why is it or how is it that you first started believing in the Christian God?

For the fourth time, the video by the former Dean of the Simon Greenleaf School of Law provides proof of the resurrection, miracles, and perfect life of Jesus Christ, which is proof that Christianity is true and the Creator God of the Bible exists. Google: john montgomery video. The video is called "Was Jesus a Liar, Lunatic, Legend, or God?" The fact that it takes an intelligent creator to create life is further proof that the God of the Bible exists.

Whatever contradicts the truth is not the truth, for any subject.

Homosexuals don't like Christianity and want to destroy Christianity because the Bible describes homosexuality as an abomination, and Christians have rejected homosexuality for 2 thousand years. Most homosexuals who call themselves Christians are lying in an effort to infiltrate and undermine Christianity.

Are you saying you have never allowed someone to perform a homosexual act on you? If that is true there may be hope for you.

The Democrat, homosexual, Communist party favors the Muslim religion to use Muslims to help destroy Christianity. And they see a billion potential Muslim voters for their worldlwide homosexual Communism if they can somehow brainwash and sucker them in.

I'll be glad to keep repeating the above statements if you want.

Jim,

How much more detail do you need? I already said I would not want a homosexual act done to me because im not a homosexual, Im not sure how much clearer I can be.

You mean people have the freedom to say what they want, but if its not what you like (the Christian view) then its harmful to America, and wrong? If you do, then theres no point in going on in this debate.

The fact you say that I have no evidence for my beliefs is hilarious to me.

Perhaps weve been going in this the wrong way. Why dont you tell me why it is, exactly, that you believe that (a) God exists, (b) that the Christian religion is the only right one and (c) why it is that you chose Christianity. Tell me using facts please, not the bible. Typically in an argument one tries to prove something by using proof. If there is no proof, then all of what your saying is just an opinion based on nothing.

Iguerral,

For the third time, the former Dean of the Simon Greenleaf School of law, John Montgomery, provides proof that Christianity is the truth. Will you view the 2 hour video, "Was Jesus a Lunatic, Liar, Legend, or God?"  Google: john montgomery video. Then read the Bible.

You won't go into detail about a homosexual act being done on you. Would your conscience bother you if you let it happen?

People have freedom of speech to say what they want, but in the final analysis anyone who takes people away from the truth is harmful to America.

Consider there may be contexts that you are unaware of. For instance, when I said I can't forgive anyone, I meant I can't forgive people's sins to make them pure before God. Only God can do that.

Calling me names like fanatic religious follower is meaningless. Some people use name calling and insults when they have no evidence for their beliefs, such as your beliefs.

Jim,

You mean its good enough for you if something you cant prove happened, with the only proof being a book, proven wrong by science? Well if thats good enough for you, then thats fine, you can go on living blindly, it doesnt bother me.

Whats wrong with someone doing the homosexual act on me? Well like I stated before, Im not a homosexual, ergo, I wouldnt consent to the homosexual act being done to me.

Yes I did Vote for Barack Obama.

You said earlier and Ill quote, "Christianity, practiced according to the teachings of Jesus Christ, has held America together." This would imply that other religious views are not holding American together, and therefore harming America. So Ill restate the question you dodged. Are people who are not Christian, harming America?

Its nice to know that you dont forgive anyone, as thats one of the teachings of Christ. Somewhat self contradictory for you wouldnt you say?

You can not let up on efforts to stop what you think is happening, but I'm not going to stop my efforts against the perversion of intelligence and censorship of knowledge, led by the fanatic religious followers such as yourself.

Iguerral,

Jesus Christ, who performed miracles, had a perfect life, and arose from the grave said his God created life. That is good enough for me.

What, in your opinion, is wrong with someone doing the homosexual act on you? Tell the whole truth.

You dodged the question about the difference between the health care system of Communist Cuba and Barack's health care system.

You dodged the question, Did you vote for Barack Obama?

If there are any questions you think I dodged, state the questions.

I can't forgive anyone. God does the forgiving. I can drop resentments which I may have from time to time. This doesn't mean I'll let up on efforts to stop the corruption of children, such as with the constant sexual images coming out of Democrat party and homosexual supported Hollywood.

Jim,

I say that God did create life, how many more times must I tell you this? I dont say it was the Christian God though, because I, nor does anyone else, have any facts as to what God is like.

"spending time in waste matter" is normal for homosexuals dont you think? what would I think of someone doing it on me? Im not a homosexual so obviously I wouldnt want it done. Not sure of the point of that question either.

I find it funny how you only forgive Christians. You didnt answer my previous question, which is fine if you dont know the answer.

If you want the answer to the last question then examine the economies of Canada, Great Britain, Sweden, and the Netherlands. Cuba is not the only one with free health care.

Iguerral,

It takes an intelligence to create life. Evidently,  if God doesn't appear physically, you say there is no evidence for God creating life. You have no explanation for the creation of life.

According to one of your previous posts, you think spending time in waste matter is normal as long as it's been done since the beginning of life.

What do you think of someone doing the homosexual act on you?

If Christians who have gone astray truly repent, they are Christians once again.

Did you vote for smiling BSing Barack Obama? He tells more lies than any President in history.

You never answered the question, What is the difference between Barack's health care policies, and the health care policies of Communist Cuba?

Jim,

Im afraid that debating any further would be rather pointless. You obviously have some deeper psychological issues, and the fact you provide no evidence other than cite things in the bible doesn't help your case at all. Your reffering to waste matter? Waste matter is exactly what you spew. Just about everyone knows what the homosexual act entails, the fact you focus on it so much is disturbing in itself. All I can say is that Im sorry the public school system failed you so badly. Its really pathetic how you believe things without evidence, but that is the typical Christian mentality now isn't it?

Animals do these things, and have always done these things because their brains arent as evolved as ours. They eat eachother while still alive? yes obviously, they also eat dead things as well. Vultures are a prime example. Animals dont have a set of evolved moral codes, though some of them do possess the ability to help others such as the baboon, and most chimpanzee's, as well as dogs. Im not sure how you could persicute animals for doing these things which they have always done because they know no better. If you'd like to waste your time and try and teach animals your religion thats fine with me.

Apparently you weren't reading what I wrote too closely. Yes when Christians do unChristian things they aren't behaving like Christians. Would you Consider the people who say they are Chrisitian, and then do unChristian things Christians? or would you say that they are not. Your the one whos dodging questions, and it leads me to believe that you have no idea, and have not thought about the issue enough.

So your saying that those people who are not Chrisitians are destroying America? And no, Im an Independent, not a Democrat

Iguerral,

You obviously need enlightenment about homosexuality and the homosexual act. Maybe you are from outer space and don't realize what the homosexual act involves. It involves spending time in waste matter.

Animals eat each other while still alive. They lick each other in all sorts of unsanitary ways. Spend some time around a group of dogs and watch animal programs on TV. Evidently, according to you, since they have always done this it must be ok.

Some Christians do unChristian things. When they do unChristian things they aren't behaving like Christians. It's a no brainer.

Christianity, practiced according to the teachings of Jesus Christ, has held America together. The perversions  you advocate are tearing America apart.The anti Christian parasitism advocated by the Democrat party is tearing America apart. You are a Democrat aren't you? Just like alcoholics fiercely defend their alcholism, you fiercely defend your perversions. It's a form of possession by evil.

Jim,

Spending their life in "waste matter" who said anything about that? I'd like you to stay on topic please. Im not sure what you mean when you say the "nasty", "repulsive", and "homicidal behavior" so you'll have to explain.

I suppose people said the same thing (that they were insane) long ago when someone thought that in the future it would be possible for man to go into space. However perhaps you think you know everything that will happen in the future? You would have to be insane to say you do.

If the principles of the bible helped everyone become respectible human beings, how is it that so many Christians, or people who claim to be Christian commit so many evils?

As far as "warping childrens minds" Its a proven fact that the bible is wrong. For someone to teach children the bible as fact is warping their minds, and is a perversion of intelligence. The bible has been proven wrong a number of times, by Darwin, Galileo, Copernicus, take your pick. Allow me here to quote Bertrand Russell, on this matter of religion, "The knowledge exists by which universal happiness can be secured; the cheif obstacle to its utilization for that purpose is the teaching of religion. Religion prevents our children from having a rational education; religion prevents us from removing the fundemental causes of war; religion prevents us from teaching the ethic or scientific coperation in place of the old fierce doctrines of sin and punishment. It is possible that mankind is on the threshold of a golden age; but , if so, it will be necessary first to slay the dragon that guards the door, and this dragon is religion."